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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 8369
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Posted: 01 March 2012 at 8:45pm | IP Logged | 1
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Sadly, I think things have actually gotten better over the last 15 years. Still has a LONG way to go to get back to what we had in the Silver Age.
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Marcel Chenier Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 May 2006 Location: United States Posts: 2723
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Posted: 01 March 2012 at 9:11pm | IP Logged | 2
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"She has no head" article is made of awesome.I enjoyed this, from the article's comment section: 'I like cheesecake as much as the next person, but for dessert, not as soup, salad, and entree, too.'
Nathan's post (two images) breaks the whole problem down rather well.
I have my first child coming in May, and while I don't have to worry about it for a while, I'm wondering whether I ought to expose him/her to comics at all.
Edited by Marcel Chenier on 01 March 2012 at 9:12pm
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Shaun Barry Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 08 December 2008 Location: United States Posts: 6931
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Posted: 01 March 2012 at 9:24pm | IP Logged | 3
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I have 2 young daughters who have some interest in superheroes, especially female heroines... ...that pic posted by Nathan is the reason why I'll only order old, cheap back issues for them from before 1986. That picture just makes me angry, and convinces me again that most artists working today have no real, grounded references or examples of substantive women in their lives.
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Jeff Priester Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 06 June 2010 Location: United States Posts: 332
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Posted: 01 March 2012 at 10:40pm | IP Logged | 4
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JB: "Very few stories feel BIG any more"------ It's funny you mentioned this as a few friends and I just had the same discussion. It seem that some writers just want to tell their stories and movie on. Those stories never have any substance to them.
I've always said the Big stories cause me to play a mental movie soundtrack. Simonson's Thor did that as well as JB's Trial of Galactus.
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Nathan Greno Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 April 2006 Location: United States Posts: 9154
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Posted: 02 March 2012 at 12:48am | IP Logged | 5
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Marcel: I have my first child coming in May, and while I don't have to worry about it for a while, I'm wondering whether I ought to expose him/her to comics at all.
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No worries. At this rate, comic books will be a thing of the past by the time the kid is old enough to read.
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7847
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Posted: 02 March 2012 at 3:43am | IP Logged | 6
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That second image Nathan posted. Examplifies exactly what is wrong today - every single one of those 'women' have their backsides thrust out and their boobs thrust forward. Black canary even has nipples. Not what I read comics for.
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Flavio Sapha Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: Brazil Posts: 12912
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Posted: 02 March 2012 at 3:52am | IP Logged | 7
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I've been saying this for years.
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Taavi Suhonen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 27 April 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 1544
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Posted: 02 March 2012 at 5:12am | IP Logged | 8
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Nathan Greno wrote:
Books like this do not help anything |
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I'm not terribly surprised that it's by Christopher Hart, the author of several terrible How to Draw Manga books.
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133512
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Posted: 02 March 2012 at 5:13am | IP Logged | 9
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Black canary even has nipples.•• Nothing new there, really. Comicbook artists have gone for "realism" in that region for a LONG time! In fact, there was a longish period in the late Sixties and early Seventies when the ladies (bless 'em) stopped wearing bras, and nipples were much in evidence out here in the real world, that the Comics Code even started taking a relaxed view. The Code, after all, insisted that the material could not be allowed to "offend current public mores". Neal Adams and Berni Wrightson were among the first to take a more realistic approach to portraying female anatomy. (Back in my fan days, I briefly hooked up with an inker who insisted on adding nipples to every female form I drew. It seemed a compulsion with him. I would "joke" that he'd add a nipple to any curved surface. I kept expecting, I said, nipples to start showing up on top of Iron Man's head.)
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Lars Johansson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 04 June 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 6113
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Posted: 02 March 2012 at 5:24am | IP Logged | 10
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Do you in America draw bellybuttons?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 02 March 2012 at 5:26am | IP Logged | 11
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She has no head•• That page contains this interesting comment: "I love the Emma Peel character and I enjoy many of those old 60s episodes. But newsflash: this isn’t the 60s. And when Byrne/Claremont created Emma Frost, it still wasn’t the 60s. There is no damn justification for Frost dressing in lingerie. The characters history objectively shows that she was created to be over sexualized and objectified. There are lots of ways to make a character like Frost look sexy without looking ridiculous. And to those women who continue to rationalize it and justify it, then I just want to say that you’re wrong, you’re part of the problem and you suck. Wake up." (Emphasis added) No justification? Hm. Except, perhaps, context. The internal justification that all the villains in that story are dressing in styles about 150 years out of date (Yep, just like that old AVENGERS TV episode that was Chris' inspiration). This is one of those things that truly, truly bugs the **** out of me. When some narrowly focused crusader goes off on a tirade, and starts pulling my work into the mix, ignoring the fact that I have spent the bulk of my career fighting against the clichés about which the crusader is, well, crusading.
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James Revilla Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2266
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Posted: 02 March 2012 at 5:36am | IP Logged | 12
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Um, I thought all the women in the club dressed that way. Isn't that the justification? Does the guy ask himself there is no reason for all the people in McDonalds to be dressed that way? Are baseball games just incomprehensible to him because there is no reason for the guys to have those weird, tight pants on? And while we are at it, what's with all the blue in the Fantastic Four? In this day and age Reed can't make unstable molecules in other colors? /sarcasm off
There are whole months I sit and wonder why certain people still read comics if they are going to bitch about them so much.
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