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Armindo Macieira Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 15 October 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 955
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 9:17am | IP Logged | 1
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I loved Cap vs. Baron Blood. Nice example!
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John Byrne
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 10:04am | IP Logged | 2
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When I was doing the FF, and toward the end of my run did a story about a witch hunter pursuing the FF and unwittingly unleashing Mephisto, a number of readers complained that such a tail belonged more in the pages of DOCTOR STRANGE than FANTASTIC FOUR.This genuinely surprised me, for altho the FF was primarily a sci-fi title, it did not seem to me that ANYTHING should be kept strictly off-limits. After all, their principle villain was known to dabble in the mystic arts, which alone should be enough to cue readers that Reed Richards was probably very open minded about such things. (Tangent: Several years back I was talking to an editor about the possibility of working on a book with a well known magician, who it transpired was interested in doing a Dr. Thirteen series. He wanted to play up the skeptic angle, and I quickly pointed out that that was the part of Terry Thirteen's personality that DIDN'T work in context. After all, he lived in a world where ghosts, demons, aliens and all the rest were demonstrably REAL. I didn't want to see him played as Agent Scully, who I used to say could get raped by a werewolf and STILL be a "skeptic" the next week!)
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Jeremiah Avery Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 27 December 2008 Location: United States Posts: 2431
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 10:19am | IP Logged | 3
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I remember some issues of "Daredevil" incorporating Blackheart which were interesting. May seem out of place but if written well, it could work.
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Don Zomberg Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 10:20am | IP Logged | 4
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The most exasperating part of Waid's run on FF had Reed Richards having to be taught to "believe" in magic, to surrender himself and lose his massive ego before he could use it as a weapon. Lame. Waid even made the critical mistake of doing research into "real life" magic to get a sense of how it "worked." I prefer Stan Lee's method of just making #$* up.
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Armindo Macieira Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 15 October 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 955
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 10:26am | IP Logged | 5
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Having characters like Reed not believing in magic seems strange to me... after all, he's an intelligent man and he already met his share of "mystical characters"... by now he must be quite aware that magic does exist!!
Edited by Armindo Macieira on 17 October 2011 at 10:27am
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John Byrne
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 11:37am | IP Logged | 6
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The most exasperating part of Waid's run on FF…•• …were the parts between the front cover of his first issue, and the back cover of his last.
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Eric Smearman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 02 September 2006 Location: United States Posts: 5808
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 11:44am | IP Logged | 7
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Between the Baron Blood story, the Wendigo two-parter and Kitty Pryde vs the demon in the X-Mansion I've always thought JB would be great on a pure, non-superhero horror story or title.
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Lars Johansson Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 12:02pm | IP Logged | 8
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I think it can work. I don't know exactly how though. Sometimes JB has some horror, I recall one issue with Superman and Etrigan, that was almost a horror story, I peed almost in my pants. I like the Marvel horror 70's era or what you call it.
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Kip Lewis Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 12:52pm | IP Logged | 9
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I think a big part of this question is what kind of horror are we talking about?
Traditional monsters like Dracula and Wolfman, definitely. Even the modern versions of Aliens or Predators work too.
Pyschological horrors work with the right writer and artist.
Horror where it's the everday man caught in a walking nightmare is harder because heroes are...well heroes. Even the every man hero like Spider-man deals with crisises on a daily basis so he is rarely ever in the same boat as the girl out of her element being chased by a serial killer.
Ghost stories have a more delicate line to walk for super-heroes to make the both work and fit, because ghosts are too familar.
Large scale horror like zombies can be more difficult because part of the horror is being outnumbered and society collapsing. Heroes are supposed to prevent that tipping point.
Slasher-porn is nothing more than excuse to kill people in inventive ways and/or show girls in various states of undress. This doesn't work.
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Taavi Suhonen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 27 April 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 1544
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 1:39pm | IP Logged | 10
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Robbie Parry wrote:
I'd like to see such as The Incredible Hulk VS Dracula (has this ever happened, given that Marvel published Tomb of Dracula years ago? |
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It recently happened as part of the Fear Itself event in a 3 issue mini-series titled Fear Itself: Hulk vs. Dracula. Though from what I've heard about it, it's more like "Dracula's minions versus Hulk" with only a brief battle between the title characters in the last issue.
Of course, I'm convinced that the Legacy of Kain ripoff Marvel is currently passing off as Dracula is an imposter, so it doesn't count for me personally.
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 16464
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 2:01pm | IP Logged | 11
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John Byrne wrote:
... It's interesting to note that Joe SImon has apparently said, on occasion, that he thought of CAPTAIN AMERICA as a horror comic right from the start, long before it turned officially into CAPTAIN AMERICA'S WEIRD TALES. ... |
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It's interesting that this comes up at this time for me, as I have been going through some Golden-Age Captain America stories, and I was noting that most of the villains would fall along the monster variety. In the 1940's, Captain America fought vampires, zombies, and even the Frankenstein monster, along with many freakish creatures.
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 17 October 2011 at 2:07pm | IP Logged | 12
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John Byrne wrote:
...After all, he lived in a world where ghosts, demons, aliens and all the rest were demonstrably REAL. I didn't want to see him played as Agent Scully, who I used to say could get raped by a werewolf and STILL be a "skeptic" the next week!... |
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One thing that has bothered me about the way some writers have written supernatural stories in superhero comics is the stories where someone like Superman or Batman would encounter, say, a ghost and would react skeptically about the existence of ghosts when they would have all ready been established as having met other characters such as Deadman and the Spectre.
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