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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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No. the problem is the Image Comics we got in the 90s with almost no story and just spectacular art.
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JT Molloy Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 5:51pm | IP Logged | 2
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We all know that the early 90's was hot-shots looking to draw splashes to sell to speculators, c'mon. That's not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about the medium in general. If an artist who can write makes a comic book, that renders a writer who can't draw immediately unqualified to do the same as he can't make a comic book. Even an artist who can kind-of-write can make a comic book. A writer can't.
Edited by JT Molloy on 15 September 2011 at 5:52pm
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Roger A Ott II Byrne Robotics Member
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The big part there is IF the artist is competent. That's not always the case, unfortunately. Todd McFarlane proved that with the adjectiveless Spider-Man, yet Marvel let him plod along unrestrained, foreshadowing the downfall of comics.
But now, here's another question. What's better? An artist who writes, or a writer who draws?
To me, JB is a writer who draws, even though my first exposure to him was as an art robot on Fantastic Four in the late 70s.
Edited by Roger A Ott II on 15 September 2011 at 5:55pm
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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JT, No because all artist aren't good writers, and when an artist is a good writer he is both artist and writer, not just an artist who writes. The difference resides in knowing the craft and having a story to tell.
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JT Molloy Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 5:56pm | IP Logged | 5
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I'd put the 2 as synonymous. I know JB describes himself as a writer who draws.
Here's the thing though, that Spider-Man book, as a kid, I loved it. I look at it now and see all it's faults, but um... it was still a comic book. He still made a comic book by being both writer and artist.
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JT Molloy Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 6:00pm | IP Logged | 6
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Knowing the craft IS telling the story. With the pictures they draw. Lots of artists can draw pictures but to make it in comics you have to be able TO tell a story with pictures.
Once again, I think comic book writers, who are only writers, are not essential when you get down to brass tacks. They cannot make comic books.
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Agapito Qhelas Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 6:12pm | IP Logged | 7
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If you want to be really strict, no, the writer is not essential.
But that doesn't mean the writing is not important, or, in my case, the single most important aspect of a comic book.
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 6:13pm | IP Logged | 8
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As you say he is both. There are two talents at work. Two crafts. He has a story to tell, he knows how to tell it, and he knows how to do it in pictures. As a writer he knows how to plot and how to write dialogues & captions As an artist he knows visual story-telling and how to draw great art. If someone like Dave Cockrum didn't do a sequel to his Nightcrawler mini, it is because he couldn't find in himself a second story. He said so himself. And yet what an artist. He could be a writer only on a few, very few occasions. That wasn't his speciality. Once again stories need to be writen by people who knows how to do it and have a story to tell. Lot of artists don't have this talent and still desserve better than doing pin-ups, covers or mediocre stories because that's only one they have in them, for all their carreer.
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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I'll even go as far as saying Rob Liefeld artist and Todd Mc Farlane artist, both deserve better than Rob and Tod writers.
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Stéphane Garrelie Byrne Robotics Member
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To go back to the opening post, the best collaborator of an artist isn't necessary the "creator" (artist) one-self, because he isn't necessarilly a good writer and hasn't necessarilly a good story to tell. Sure, any professional artist can do crap comic all by himself. Lame story lacking originality, action scenes, almost no dialogue or just bad one, all that wraped in spectacular art if he is good enough to do some. I'm not sure i'ld like to read his work. Not even if he pays me.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 15 September 2011 at 6:29pm
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Mike Norris Byrne Robotics Member
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Comics are a visual medium, so obviously the artist is important. But how important to the storytelling depends on the artist. Some work fine from a plot outline and others would be lost without a fullscript. I'm a trained artist but I dont think I could tell a story with my art like a Kirby or an Adams. Some artists should never be allowed near word processing equipment because they have no ear for dialog. Would there be a Superman without Jerry Siegal? I think he contributed a lot to the mythos of Superman over years, possibly more than Joe Shuster did. In my youth my buying habits were often driven by writers. Guys like Roy Thomas, Steve Englehart and Steve Gerber. Sometimes they had guys like Neal Adams, John Buscema and Gene Colan drawing other time it was lesser known/respected guys like Don Heck or Bob Brown. But the story and character were still there.
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JT Molloy Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 September 2011 at 6:45pm | IP Logged | 12
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Sure, any professional artist can do crap comic all by himself. Lame story lacking originality, action scenes, almost no dialogue or just bad one, all that wraped in spectacular art if he is good enough to do some.
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Any comic book writer can do the same, ya know, except for the art parts. The parts that make a comic book.
As an aside; Why are so many stuck in the early Image-Era? Why?
Peanuts, Maus, Calvin and Hobbes, Man of Steel, Sin City and countless others have been mostly done by one person, yet the only thing comic book fans these days can ever think to say about artists doing their own stuff is "UGH, remember WILDCATS?".
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