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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 12 July 2010 at 10:13pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Just out of curiosity -- what exactly is all this "aztecing" supposed to represent? On real ships, the effect is unpainted metal, and comes from the different textures of the hull plates. I thought these Star Fleet ships were not even supposed to HAVE hull plates!

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The aztec pattern indeed represents unpainted metal plating--the ship is supposed to look like its skin is composed of hundreds of exotic plates of metal. There are secondary and tertiary patterns contained within the basic "aztec" pattern, too:

http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/200 9/09/KG_MD_UK1998_1701-A-081.jpg

 

Quibbles over the design aside, that model is one of the finest of its kind ever built, and it's truly sad that the original, magnificently layered and subtle paint scheme from TMP was dulled down and repainted for the subsequent films.

 

And, of course, the TOS version's hull is a uniform gray-green color. So, is the hull just painted? Did we just not see all the detail that was on the "real" ship?

I personally feel that since such extra detail could easily have been added to the original model, but wasn't, Jefferies clearly intended for the ship to either be painted, or have no visible seams in the hull (as if future technology allows for seamless welding of hull plates, or entire skin sections which can be "cast" and attached to the spaceframe whole).

 

And then they added hull plating to the CG Remastered model. Bleh.

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Posted: 12 July 2010 at 10:18pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

The stock decals are certainly more pronounced looking, but not as bad as I imagined it (hence the Bandai kit comparison).  Gives me a little more confidence about building the stock kit first and not messing it up.

I'm guessing the Acreation decal sets will have more of a subtler hull effect that we've seen in the movies.

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From a distance it looks good, but up close it's a bit much.

And, yeah, based on my failed first attempt with the Acreation decals, they should be much more subtle and colorful. I'm just sad I couldn't apply them to this build!

But I know how to proceed now, and Attempt # 2 should be much better.

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Posted: 12 July 2010 at 11:13pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Speaking of design elements, I found this article very interesting when I discovered it some time back.

The original Enterprise (and the Refit) embody the mathematical concept of the Golden Ratio when viewed from overhead, and are therefore aesthetically pleasing, whereas later incarnations don't follow the theory, and are less than pleasing.

http://caoimghgin.blogspot.com/2008/11/starship-design-and-g olden-ratio.html

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^ Interesting link, Greg.  Thanks!
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Posted: 15 July 2010 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Began work on my second pilot TOS Enterprise model today. It's a bit disheartening to start all over from scratch on one of these things after completing another, but the first pilot version turned out well, so I look forward to finishing this one.
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Posted: 21 July 2010 at 12:53pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Sweet! They posted one of my submissions!

http://www.starshipmodeler.us/gallery14/gk_062810_lex.htm

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Very cool!
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Posted: 21 July 2010 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Congrats, Greg!
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I was going through the Starship Modeler Store (picking up another 1/1000 Polar Lights Refit, TOS Connie, and Klingon D-7), and noticed there are two sets of alternate registry decals from PNT-Models for the PL TOS kit: This one, and another that's apparently faithful to the Franz Joseph 'Starfleet Tech Manual'. 

I picked the first decal set, since I assumed it would be the TOS canon one, but I didn't know that the Tech Manual Constitution-class starships had a separate registry number system (it's been a long, long time since I read that book).

 

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Posted: 23 July 2010 at 1:33pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Yeah, the Joseph numbers are pretty much sequential, and make some sense.

The "official" numbers used in the STAR TREK ENCYCLOPEDIA (and elsewhere) come from Greg Jein, who wrote an article way back when matching up all the Constitution-class ship names from TMOST with the wall chart seen in "Court Martial".

http://www.trekplace.com/article10.html

The flaws in this, of course, are:

1. The numbers are wildly divergent and non-sequential, and thus not what one would expect if Constitution is NCC-1700, Enterprise is NCC-1701, etc. While Constellation had a much lower number (NCC-1017), is there any need to assume that Republic (NCC-1371) was a Constitution-class ship, aside from the fact that it was described as a "Starship" (the Enterprise-design nomenclature which preceded "Constitution-class")?

2. It stupidly assumes that almost ALL of the Constitution-class ships were undergoing repairs at Starbase 11 during that episode.

 

As an aside, the single best fanon tech manual I've ever seen is SHIPS OF THE STAR FLEET, which is a very impressive book. It's laid out like modern-day guides to naval vessels--schematics, changes in technology from ship to ship, current status of ships for each class, etc.

The amount of detail and thought put into it is staggering--it covers different ship classes from TOS through the movie era, and explains each iteration of the Enterprise design in various media as being a different class (as well as offering new designs)--the pilot versions, the production version (which is said to be a "Bonhomme Richard" class that the Constitutions were upgraded to), the Franz Joseph version, the PHASE II design, and so on. Constellation is said to have been upgraded to Constitution specs from a previous class.

http://www.amazon.com/Ships-Star-Fleet-Allen-Guenther/dp/096 5601609/ref=pd_cp_b_1

 

Coincidentally, I was browsing at such a real-world book at my local library recently, and I just happened to randomly open it up--I kid you not--to the page on U.S.S. Enterprise, CVN-65. Spooky!



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Posted: 23 July 2010 at 6:20pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Went with the Greg Jein TOS registry instead of the Franz Joseph one, since it allows for my future plan to build the (non-canon) USS Yamato NCC-1705 without getting it mixed up with the USS Excalibur. ;) 

Added the 1/1000 scale "make your own TOS registry" decals to my new order just for that (MK II Bonhomme Richard sub-class on the way!).

 

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Posted: 23 July 2010 at 9:16pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Doing any builds right now, Bill? I'd love to 'em when they're done.

That's an obscure reference, too. Yamato had two registry numbers as I recall--one was NCC-1305-E. Are you kinda referencing that with 1705?

What's your plan for the Bonhomme Richard subclass?

 

(As an aside, while I like that book quite a bit, I don't necessarily like the idea of each iteration of the Enterprise--TOS, Joseph, etc.--having its own class or subclass. It de-uniques the basic Constitution design.)

 

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