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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 01 July 2010 at 3:37pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Round2 has also listed their supplemental decals for the 1/1000 Refit, though they won't be available until October.

http://www.round2models.com/models/star-trek/mka002-decals

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Posted: 05 July 2010 at 11:31am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

So, I had a bit of a distaster. The Acreation decals proved very thin and easy to fold-in on themselves, and my initial attempt at application was a mess. But the decals LOOK great--the aztec is very subtle, and replicates a faux-pearlescent appearance very successfully.

I've since learned that I need to seek out liquid decal film and other materials in order to work with such delicate aftermarket decals.

So, I scrubbed the decals off, and ordered another set--which Acreation was kind enough to give to me at half-price.

But this build is becoming too sloppy for my tastes--I've decided to write it off as a practice run, finish it with the stock decals, and label it as another ship (much as with my TOS-era Lexington, which didn't turn out well enough for me to comfortably name it Enterprise).

In terms of canonical choices, there's really only one option--and it's one that's particularly appropriate, as well.

 

I've learned a great deal from this build, though, and I'll be starting on a new Enterprise-A very soon. Most of my problems came from the painting stage--and now that the Acreation decals are no longer an unknown quantiity, I can be much better prepared for a second attempt.

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Posted: 06 July 2010 at 5:14pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Sorry to hear about your decal mishap Greg... 

My aztecs & registry decals arrived while I was gone for the weekend, and they do look impressive (a big step up in quality from that earlier 1/1000 refit decal set from the SSM store).

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Posted: 06 July 2010 at 5:36pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Do make the effort to use Testors Decal Bonder spray and/or liquid decal film!

 

I've been working on my poor little kit with the stock decals today--they're way thicker and easier to use--but they will not provide nearly as impressive results as my aborted attempt with the aftermarket set.

I'm kinda rushing through it so I can just get this one done and began preparing for my next attempt.

I'm going to have to go VERY slowly on my second attempt, but the results should be very nice.



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Yeah, I've been reading the 1/1000 refit decal thread over at the Starship Modeler Forum today...  Wow.

Sounds like I'll build one of the refits as a stock kit first before tackling the Acreation decal version (and thanks for the tip on the decal bonder spray).

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That's what I recommend--I've learned a lot from my first attempt.

Getting to know the kit first allows for the proper experience and planning required for another attempt. The stock decals are pretty easy to work with--very thick. I'd have gotten better results with them if I'd gone more slowly, but I just wanna get this build over and done so I can lick my wounds and plan ahead.

And I must say that I think I may have to do my next build in subassemblies (although I prefer building a kit whole and then detailing it)--there are so many decals and so much detail that it's hard to work in the tighter spaces with an assembled model.

 

And the Acreation decals are great, my problems aside. What it comes down to is that aftermarket decals are much, much thinner than kit decals, and need special care (as well as aids like bonder spray and liquid decal film, which toughen them up a bit) to be used correctly.

My mistake was going in too fast, and assuming that they'd be easier to work with. Next time, I won't make that mistake!

I look forward to getting better results with the Acreation decals. The stock decals are impressive for a mass-market kit, bit the aztec is too pronounced for the scale--almost garish. The Acreation decals (the results of which I did see during my failed first attempt) are much more subtle, and better replicate the pearlescent look of the filming model.

 

In the meantime, I won a vintage Excelsior kit on eBay (which I went after because there won't be one coming from Round2 anytime soon), and will soon begin gathering parts and decals (Acreation is working on a set for this kit, as well). I'll think I'd like to do the original NX-2000 version.

 



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Posted: 09 July 2010 at 10:49am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Well, I'm in the final stages of finishing this model.

After an 8-hour decaling session, I finished up with the stock decals.

I also ordered JDecals' alternate registry sheet. Hey, Bill--although the printing is not the best compared to the stock decals, they do lay down well and look nice.

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"Starfleet Command, this is Captain Joel Randolph of the Starship Yorktown reporting. Emergency channel Zero-one-three-zero, code red. It has been three hours since our contact with the alien probe and all attempts at regaining power have failed. All non-essential crew have been given hiber-sedatives to slow down consumption of life support reserves. Our chief engineer is attempting to deploy a makeshift solar sail with which to focus and absorb radiation from a nearby sun we are orbiting. We have high hopes that this will, if successful, generate power to keep us alive indefinitely. If you would patch us through to Engineering Control we could link up with the technicians there and hopefully lick this problem. We will keep you posted on our condition, Starfleet, and inform you of any further developments. Captain Randolph out."

- From the shooting script for STAR TREK IV: THE VOYAGE HOME

 

And so, my experimental build is done. I chose the only truly canonical Refit ship other than the two Enterprises to appear in the movies (and even then, we don't see the ship itself, just the above report made by her Captain). And I found it somewhat appropriate to label my failed Enterprise-A as the Yorktown, since it's been conjectured that the Yorktown was renamed Enterprise at the end of that film.

I've learned quite a lot from this build, and will apply the experience to my Enterprise-A. It turned out quite well, despite painting problems, and a rush-job with the decals (after things started going a bit south, I just wanted to be done and start on the next one).

 

 

 

More photos:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Yorktown0 03.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Yorktown0 14.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Yorktown0 08.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Yorktown0 10.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Yorktown0 07.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Yorktown0 05.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Yorktown0 16.jpg

 

So similar, yet so different:

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Yorktown0 12.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/GregKirkman/Yorktown0 11.jpg


 



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So similar, yet so different…

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Underscores the word that most often comes to mind when I see the "refit" compared to the original --- frail.

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Just out of curiosity -- what exactly is all this "aztecing" supposed to represent? On real ships, the effect is unpainted metal, and comes from the different textures of the hull plates. I thought these Star Fleet ships were not even supposed to HAVE hull plates!
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Posted: 12 July 2010 at 4:36pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Wow, Greg... For a moment there I thought you posted photos of the prepainted Bandai USS Enterprise kit!

The stock decals are certainly more pronounced looking, but not as bad as I imagined it (hence the Bandai kit comparison).  Gives me a little more confidence about building the stock kit first and not messing it up.

I'm guessing the Acreation decal sets will have more of a subtler hull effect that we've seen in the movies.

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Posted: 12 July 2010 at 10:00pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Underscores the word that most often comes to mind when I see the "refit" compared to the original --- frail.

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Yeah, the hard angles of the original's nacelle pylons, in particular, convey STRENGTH and FUNCTIONALITY. I do think the Refit's pylons and engines look good from some angles, though, it not all, unlike the original.

That said, I think the beefed-up secondary hull and saucer don't look so frail. It's the more artsy engines and pylons that make the Refit ship look less like a utilitarian muscle car-type ship than the original.

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