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John Byrne
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A "black"-named character, ya know, what other color would he be?++ Black Goliath? •• Are you saying Black Goliath isn't Black? Marvel played the "Black" name both ways -- costume color and race.
The Black Panther wasn't called Black because he was a Negro, but Black
Goliath was. The latter struck me as more than a tad racist.
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Stephen Churay
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I understand your point JB. But, in a lot of cases, by the time I started to read comics the highlight color was no longer just the highlight but was the main color. It's not until I collected back issues that I realized differently. Now in a lot of cases, common sense comes into play and I realize that Superman's hair in not blue, and that the Black Panther's uniform is black. But growing up, Spider-Man's outfit was red and blue. Power Man's pants were blue and the Hulk's hair was black. In some cases I think you're right, in others I think the colorists just did a bad job at getting this particular point across.
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John Byrne
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Spider-Man's outfit was red and blue. Power Man's pants were blue and the
Hulk's hair was black.•• The first two I can understand -- not agree with, but understand -- but the
third makes no sense at all to me. Why would the Hulk (who has turned
green all over) not have green hair? What color is Doc Samson's hair? Or She-Hulk's?
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Michael Penn
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Both Superman and Black Goliath had blue-highlighted hair. That was the standard convention, quite beyond race portrayals and the trend of attendant nomenclature some 35 years ago.
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John Byrne
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I wonder if some element of this springs from the shift in population
percentage among fandom to the one who love to dig for mistakes in
every issue they get -- and who, when failing to find mistakes, then flip
over to the other side and assume that everything on the page with
which they cannot find fault must be that way because it is what the
creators of the page intended.Thus, despite all evidence to the contrary (assuming they care enough
about actual history, as distinct from "continuity" to have bothered to
take a look) they will assume Spider-Man's costume turned from black to
blue because of a deliberate choice, not because Steve Ditko was chasing
deadlines. (Same reason the amount of webbing on the costume
diminished.) The X-Men's school uniforms changed from black to blue
for a like reason. And then there's just sloppiness, as when (as noted recently) Northstar
and Aurora turn BLONDE!!!
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Wallace Sellars
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I can't recall ever having any trouble telling what the "main" color on a character was. I still don't get why some people think Storm's original costume was white!
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Ian M. Palmer
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Both Superman and Black Goliath had blue-highlighted hair. That was the standard convention, quite beyond race portrayals and the trend of attendant nomenclature some 35 years ago. I looked up some images online, and you're right. Black Goliath has brown skin and blue hair. Astonishing. I also found that Bill Foster, killed about five minutes ago for no really good reason, has already been replaced by an almost indistinguishable character. What was the point in all that, then? IMP.
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Ian M. Palmer
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A "black"-named character, ya know, what other color would he be? ++ Black Goliath? •• Are you saying Black Goliath isn't Black? Only that he's not the same colour as Black Bolt. IMP.
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John Peter Britton
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ya mean Black Bolt isn't black!
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Ian M. Palmer
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Well, he's not the same colour as... Oh, well. IMP.
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John Peter Britton
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Love Black Bolt!
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Lars Johansson
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they will assume Spider-Man's costume turned from black to
blue because of a deliberate choice, not because Steve Ditko was chasing
deadlines. (Same reason the amount of webbing on the costume
diminished.) The X-Men's school uniforms changed from black to blue
for a like reason. Can you please explain why it's easier to draw if it isn't black.
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