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Paulo Pereira
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| In all fairness to Mr Larsen, he did turn IMAGE into a decent publisher
- I never read an IMAGE comic till Larsen came on board - he brought
some great names to IMAGE. |
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Wasn't he one of the founders?
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Wallace Sellars
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Wasn't he one of the founders?
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Yes.
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Brian Miller
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Wasn't he one of the founders?
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Yeah, but not the publisher until later.
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Jesus Garcia
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The picking on Image on this board is getting very
tiresome -- talk about beating a dead horse!
For those of you who haven't noticed, this is 2009 not
1961.
And for all the love I hold for the efforts of Kirby,
Ditko, and Lee, I recognize that they were products of
their time. They didn't have to contend with today's
brainwashing mass consumerism and unrelenting
bombardment with corrupting messages that it's cool to
be stupid and uncool to be intelligent.
You might not like Image, but the Image guys like comics
and are operating in an environment very much removed
from 1961.
Invincible, for example, is contextually as much a fun
book as Spider-Man was in the 60's -- a lot like a 21st
century Nova, actually.
Scioli's Gødland is a treat for Kirby fans all ages --
despite the flaws. Don't really give a shit that he's
mostly aping Kirby. Jack's comic book career was
curtailed through the conspiracy of cretins. Some of
Tom's compositions answer the question of what Jack
might approximately been interested in producing had he
kept working in comics in today's social context. Jack
was always interested in current social preoccupations.
Savage Dragon is brilliant. Erik Larsen is not looking
to make money of this book: he's just cranking it out
for the love of the ride. You might say he's saved his
dough from the early successes of Image and can afford
to crank out a book with modest earnings -- but so
goddam what? At least he's not keeping new stories of
his creator-owned characters from the fans because he
can't make big bucks on them! How many comic book
creators can you think of who are doing it for the love
of the work and not for the love of the financial
rewards?
Edited by Jesus Garcia on 04 June 2009 at 8:05pm
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Peyton Holden
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Jesus,
Like I said, Image is a fine publisher now. If you want to see a horse flogged over and over again, go to the Bendis board. If you even mention the name "Byrne" you'll get flamed until you're reduced to cinders.
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Jesus Garcia
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Yes. But, you know, John has exercised admirable
restraint in the last couple of years. I dunno if it's
his latest paramour or the fact that he's no longer
contending against stupidity from DC&Marvel, but he's
not nearly as acerbic, vitriolic, or quick to rise to a
slam as he used to be.
I've noted him respond with civility to "critics" who
suggested improvements to his commissions -- in
circumstances where I would not have managed any form of
politeness.
I think John's professionalism and generosity has been
coming through loud and clear on this board recently. No
more Bad Byrne stories to speak of, so maybe the worm in
turning and what we'll be getting next is Bad Bendis
stories.
You know how the fan base is -- a lot like Holywood's
who loves to build stars up only to gleefully shred them
to pieces.
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Ed Aycock
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a lot like Holywood's
who loves to build stars up only to gleefully shred them
to pieces.
Susan Boyle has no idea what you're talking about.
Okay, technically not Hollywood but still...
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Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
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Too much focus on the talents who have legitimate reasons for being late.
These are VERY RARE exceptions aren't they?
The vast majority of lateness is due to being unprofessional.
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Brandon Pennison
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How many people have picked up a comic several months late and had no idea what was going on? Marvel with Astonishing X-Men, Ultimates 1 and 2, to name but a few, were great comic books. Fun reads, great story, fun art.....but when the next issue came out, I was completely lost....which bred much contempt for the titles, which had they come out every month on time, would have been very fun and I could have remembered where the story left off. And since I don't collect trades either, some people would point that to be my biggest 'problem' I am sure. Sorry, wait for the trade is another way to let these people off the hook for being late.
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Michael Murphy
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Would fill in issues (pulled from inventory, not planned ones) even work in today's industry? With so many comics tying into the most recent "big event" or being written for the trade so each story is six issues long I can't see it working.
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Mike O'Brien
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Yeah, I meant Larsen as publisher. When you were finding stuff like Allred's Madman and Flaming Carrot by Bob Burden, etc.
I even bought the two Obama issues of Savage Dragon and found them to be not too bad, you know?
The company leaves a bad taste in my mouth based on their first 15 years worth of stuff, but I didn't mind some of their recent offerings.
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David Chase
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Reality check: not every word out of everybody's mouth stands up to
scrutiny. Sometimes people say stuff without thinking through all of the
possible ramifications and interpretations and misinterpretations. The
idea that Todd's wisecrack was the philosophy of a generation is
ludicrous.
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Eric, I think your missing the mark on this for two reasons. First, Todd at the time was the most popular / in demand artist at time, how could his words not have a influence on comics fanbase. 99.99% of comics fans would love to work in comics, a no talent accountant type like me even thought about doing the books for Marvel just because it was Marvel. Todd was the defacto chief of Image thus speaking for all of the founders. That brings me to my second point. Everyone by know fully understands the concept of Branding. Image comics was associated as a shared univere just like Marvel or DC. After the first year of weekly trips to the comic shop in anticipation of the latest releases of Image's books, their Brand, in my mind was associating Lateness. Ninety percent of the Books were late, thus not in the shop when it was scheduled to ship. The Zero Issue coupon debacle was horrendous. The fracturing of the Brand into Studios and finger pointing at who was late became a painful joke. At that time, the hype was there, I wanted to read your books, but I could not get them as they were not at the store. The expansion of the "Line" to include other creators was wave two, the excitement was still there but Pitt and Tribe just never came out. Slowly it became all about the excuses and it just didn't get better. The 10 year anniversary TBP came out in Year 13. Image the Brand = Late or what Wetworks #1 on the shelves = Pleasent Surprise.
Eric, this might seem harsh but it's my perspective on the company, and I own and have read every single issue of Savage Dragon and look forward to #200. But due to those early days I have brand aversion beyond SD and Spawn and just can't bring myself to give invincible a try.
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