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Matt Reed
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Halloween movies this year:

A QUIET PLACE - I saw it in the theatre but introduced my wife to it once it hit digital.  A great movie all the way 'round.  It's not a horror movie, really, but will always get lumped in with them.  So good.

POLTERGEIST - 30+ years on still an affecting family drama with ghosts.  Incredibly well made and one of my favorite Spielberg films of all-time.

DAWN OF THE DEAD (2004) - I think this is a fantastic remake.  Lean, mean and full of heart, humor and scares.  
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SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE - THE EXTENDED CUT

The 3 hour TV version has been released on Blu-ray and I found it in the store yesterday. As a huge fan of the film, I obviously needed to see this. 

First of all, the 40 minutes of extra footage doesn't do the film any favours, especially not as far as pacing is concerned. But it IS interesting to watch if you're already a fan. 

For example, the Smallville sequences with Jeff East as young Clark are extended WITH East's own voice, as Reeve didn't dub the parts that were cut from the final film. 

On the plus side, there are some nice extra footage with Reeve as Superman and more of John Williams' epic score. 

Having seen this and the Special Edition, I can clearly see that everything that was cut from the original film, was cut for a reason. The theatrical version remains the best way to watch this film, but this is an interesting curiosity. 




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As I noted in my own review of the Extended TV Cut, back when it came out, this was basically just a padded version of the film, made so the Salkinds could have it air in two parts on two consecutive nights (and therefore make more money). Pacing and efficient storytelling was not so much of a consideration as extending the film's runtime. Richard Donner has noted his disapproval of this cut.

That all being said, it's still awesome to see all of the unused material, and, in the absence of time constraints, it makes watching the film a truly epic and immersive experience.

The theatrical cut is still my go-to version, but I can always appreciate seeing more of this movie!
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TOPPER (1937)

A perennial favorite—tho I suspect the scripting of the film was much influenced by the casting of Cary Grant and Constance Bennett. Their characters are more subordinate in the book. They’re dead before it even begins.

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KISS KISS BANG BANG (2005)

Seriously strange, but entertaining.

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I love KISS KISS BANG BANG. Val Kilmer was great as Gay Perry: "I'm knee-deep in pussy. I just like the name so much, I can't get rid of it."
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THE THREE STOOGES (2000)

Not the wretched “recreation”, but a biopic that’s long on schmaltz if short on historical accuracy. How much you like it will depend on you fondness for Howard, Howard and Fine.

Weakest element is the recreations of the shorts.

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Kiss Kiss Bang Bang was a lot of fun, and Shane Black's script is witty and a blast. You might also enjoy Black's The Nice Guys, which is in a similar vein.

I finished watching The Mummy's Shroud (1967) today, my Halloween dregs. Not very good, though I was interested to see Roger Delgado in it.
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SUPERMAN II: THE RICHARD DONNER CUT

Having seen the extended cut of SUPERMAN, it felt the right time to look at another disc with an alternative cut. Another curiosity, with previously unseen scenes with Christopher Reeve's Superman. But they had to jump through some hoops to make this, using screen tests and obvious inserts, preventing it forever from becoming a complete movie.

And I can't say that even if we saw a complete cut of Donner's vision for SUPERMAN II, we'd end up with a better movie. It basically has all the same faults as the original movie.  
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Yeah, Donner's II and what it could have been became such a legend
over the years that it was hard not to be disappointed.

For starters, TRDC is hampered by a low budget, resulting in lackluster
effects (see: the villains being freed from the Phantom Zone), none of
which feel in line with the optical care that SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE
received.

Then there's the editing, which, despite Michael Thau's efforts, doesn't
feel right either; the prologue by itself is too long and unfocused. It
became all about percentages ("Now, it's over 80% Donner!") and less
about coherent storytelling. There's also some goofy audio and
dialogue flubs (see: "I answer only to the President!" and "I'm not a
coward, Zod!").

Beyond all these shortcomings though, the movie still has inherent
flaws - Superman hardly appears in the first half, Superman selfishly
relinquishes his powers to be with Lois, Clark needlessly gets revenge
on the bully at Don's Diner, etc. etc.

Had Donner and Co. had the opportunity to go back and finish the
movie, it's possible some of these problems may have been addressed
and even fixed, but it would still likely be an inferior, though well-
crafted, sequel to SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE.

For all of the problems Lester brought to the films (though his II at least
gives Superman something to do in the first act), the theatrical
SUPERMAN II is a finished movie; TRDC is just footage in search of a
movie.


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I couldn't get any real distance into the Donner cut. Trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
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What was equally disappointing (to me, at least) was that so many long-
awaited scenes that we were led to believe existed were never shot:

--Donner claimed in an old interview that interior sequences in Niagra
Falls (including the infamous 'blank bullets' scene) were filmed, but it
turned out they were not.

--When Lester took over, the Fortress of Solitude interior had to be re-
built since the old set had been taken down, indicating that all Fortress
of Solitude interiors were completed, which would have included some
key scenes between Superman and Lois. These never appeared,
meaning they were either never shot or worse, lost.

--The full sequence of the villains flying to the Fortress, which should
have been filmed since Gene Hackman is in the scene and all of his
material was completed before Donner was fired.*

*One theory behind this is that although Hackman is in the scene, the
Zoptic system for filming the flying scenes wasn't ready at the time of
the shoot and was likely pushed back for pickups.


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I like to refer to THE DONNER CUT as "the best DVD special feature ever", rather than thinking of it as a complete film unto itself.

We'll never know what that movie would have been, had Donner not been fired. THE DONNER CUT is just a loose approximation, and it's a mixed bag. A collection of deleted footage mixed with material we already know to provide an idea of what might have been. Some parts of it are great, and others are not.

Had Donner stayed on to complete the movie, there may well have been subsequent rewrites and reshoots which might have turned the movie into something different from both the Lester cut and Donner's initial conception.

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I'm just happy I could finally see Lois Lane's jump out of the window of the Daily Planet building. The scene at Niagara in Superman II is basically there to serve the same purpose, but it was fun seeing the original version after having heard it described some years back.

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I'm just happy I could finally see Lois Lane's jump out of the window of the Daily Planet building. The scene at Niagara in Superman II is basically there to serve the same purpose, but it was fun seeing the original version after having heard it described some years back.
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It’s a much better scene, certainly. Fact of the matter is that a good chunk of Donner’s material was rewritten and reshot just so Lester could get the directorial credit, which necessitated that at least 51% of the footage in the film be his.

It wasn’t just a matter of finishing the movie by filming the scenes Donner hadn’t gotten around to. It was also about minimizing the percentage of Donner material left in the final film so that he wouldn’t be the credited director. Hence the rewrites and reshoot of near-complete scenes (like Lois jumping out the window).
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Speaking of Lois jumping out of windows, you're all familiar by now with how I gripe about writers who don't pay attention to the TIME presented in pictures, and fill the panels with dialog that would take much longer than the allotted time. Here's a classic:

Tho, since this was most likely full script, based on the vintage, perhaps we should blame Kurt Schafenberger for not establishing the Planet offices are on the 200th floor!!

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Andrew Bitner
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"My internal monologue is usually a lot shorter than this..."
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Peter Martin
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Or for not drawing Lois with wider sleeves.
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Internal monologue is an interesting thing. I’ve spent quite a bit of time having an ...internal monologue about how it works.

& I have come to the conclusion - I actually can have full paragraph internal monologues thought ‘in toto’ that capture the whole gist/feelings etc of what I am thinking about.

I can then rerun the monologue back, slower, & ‘speak’ the sentences that I believe make up that in toto monologue. No new information/thought/feeling enters that monologue when I try to compare it to the original, quick, monologue.

I’ve done this many, many times (even when writing this) & it appears that this is how it is working.

That’s also how I rationalise scenes like the one above. Sentences appear to be completed instantaneously when thought.
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Regarding that picture of Lois falling, if that was me
falling, my internal monologue would be something along
the lines of "F**************k" then there would be a
splat.
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For as long as I can remember my internal monologues have run like this: thought, thought tidied up, thought in complete sentences. Every time. Bugs the heck out of me.

So many comicbook characters seem to start at step three.

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THE CURSE OF FRANKENSTEIN (1957)

Blu-ray version. Lots of extras to get through.

The film is solid, I guess (I have seen it previously). I prefer the Universal Studios version of FRANKENSTEIN. But this one is good, and I do like the sequel, FRANKENSTEIN AND THE MONSTER FROM HELL.

I mean, look at these extras:

DISC #1: 
- Main Feature – Never seen before “Academy” ratio” 1.37:1 83 mins - DD 2.0 – English HOH subtitles 
- "The Curse of Frankenstein (1.66:1 version)" - Alternative Aspect Ratio 83mins - DD 2.0 
- New audio commentary with Marcus Hearn & Jonathan Rigby 

DISC #2: 
- Frankenstein Reborn: The Making of a Hammer Classic (new & exclusive) 
- Life With Sir (new & exclusive Peter Cushing documentary) 
- Four Sided Triangle (Bonus feature film) 80 mins 
- Tales of Frankenstein (Bonus TV pilot) 25 mins 
- World Of Hammer: The Curse of Frankenstein 25 mins 
- Stills show 
- All-new PDF booklet “The Creator’s Spark: Hammer’s Frankenstein Begins” with text by Hammer archivist Robert J. E. Simpson 


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JUSTICE LEAGUE (2017)

A ponderous, pretentious, ridiculous, ugly, overstuffed, incomprehensible mess.

Quite frankly, it deserved to be a box office dud.



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THEY'LL LOVE ME WHEN I'M DEAD

Netflix documentary about the end of Orson Welles' life and his final film project.  Interestingly shot and presents a fascinating portrait of a brilliant creative mind turning in on itself and ending in dissolution.
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Yet followed by:

INCREDIBLES 2 (2018)

Everything that JUSTICE LEAGUE wasn't.  A ton of fun, featuring some of the best action in any superhero film yet, animated or otherwise; with another wonderful score by Michael Giacchino.



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