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Brian Miller
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Posted: 19 November 2020 at 7:25pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I've realized a big part of why I DON'T like Moore's Bond. Bond,
himself, even explained it in a line of dialogue at the beginning of
TMWTGG. Everybody knows who he is. He's almost a celebrity at this
point. Even down to his 00 designation. This shouldn't be at all. He's a
goddamn SPY. How successful would spies be if they were known by
everyone worldwide? It makes no sense. And Moore plays him as
celebrity-spy.

And the comedic sound effects in TMWTGG are fucking terrible. As
was the first half-kung fu flick. They really seem to be trying to mimic
the hot trends of the time and the results are just silly and not Bond-like
at all.
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Posted: 19 November 2020 at 7:58pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

And on to THE SPY WHO LOVED ME. I've seen it more than once, but
it's been a long while. I remember liking it well enough, but we'll see if it
holds up to my memory.
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Posted: 19 November 2020 at 8:13pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Obviously the last time I watched TSWLM was before a read the book.
This doesn't follow anything even remotely close to the book. At all.
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Petter Myhr Ness
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Moore himself addressed all the points you mention, Brian, about how Bond wasn't really a spy because he couldn't walk into a hotel without everyone knowing who he was. And I think he played him accordingly. 

And basically, by the time Moore took over, they had abandoned the novels altogether - just keeping the titles and perhaps the name of a character or two. 

When Timothy Dalton took over, and we got a more serious and down to earth Bond again, people complained that he lacked Moore's charm and humour. 

So whatever what we may think about his Bond movies, Moore was extremely popular with the audience - which is why they kept him around for so long. Even though his age was clearly showing at the end of his run. *


(* Funny how times change. Daniel Craig is about Moore's age when he retired role, but it's hard to tell. He's much fitter and able to do the physical acting that Moore never did.)
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Quick repetition of something Ive said before: Bond is not a spy. Hes a secret agent, specifically an assassin. Its his job to solve problems, not gather information.
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Youre right, of course, and I knew that. My point still stands. A secret
agent known by all is not much of a SECRET agent.
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In another thread I just mentioned the bad habit of some writers and fans, assuming the characters know what we know. With characters that have been around for a while it can become especially meta.
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I'm pretty sure DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER gets the blame for starting that trend, though... unless I'm confusing the scene with another film in the series, doesn't Jill St. John take one look at Sean Connery and declare, "Wow, you're JAMES BOND!!"



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Limiting ourselves strictly to the movies, it's unlikely Bond would have developed a public identity. His "Bond, James Bond" line tells us he does not expect to be recognized on sight. And if we look at the films individually, he does most of his activities behind the scenes. Civilians should not be aware of him.
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What's awesome about that scene is not that Sylvia Trench would or might have recognized the name. What's awesome is we the audience are being introduced to... THAT FACE!
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Guess Who's Coming to Dinner (1967). Watchable, but dated, a kind of time capsule of a film. Sidney Poitier was 40 at the time and is playing his a character of a similar age, but looks like he could easily be in his 20s still. By contrast, Spencer Tracy was 67 (and died very shortly after filming) but looked like he could have been ten years older. Anyway, they're both fun to watch and so is Katherine Hepburn (what an amazing way of speaking she had). The characters are all interesting -- barring, perhaps, the daughter -- but the central frisson is not quite the sizzler it must have been back then when miscegenation laws were still in place in many states.
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(Poor Katharine Houghton... compared to Tracy, Hepburn and Poitier, she looks and sounds like she's acting in an entirely different film... or on another planet!)



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