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John Byrne
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Posted: 02 December 2008 at 11:57am | IP Logged | 1  

As the new year approaches, it occurs to me there are some things I'd like to
see -- and most pointedly not see -- from the Condo of Concept.

• No new X-titles

• No recycling of 20 and 30 year old storylines

• No more "writing for the trade", which also means…

• No stories that run more than 3 issues

• No pinup covers

• No fake deaths

• No real deaths

• No breaking of the status quo by the latest flavor of the month
"talent".

Of course, even as late as they are with most of their product, this is
December, so at least the first few months of 2009 are probably in the
drawer. How many of these challenges have already been lost, d'you
suppose?
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No late comics.
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Trevor Giberson
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I'd like to see it, too.  I'd add giving up multibook crossovers and Previews synopsis ads, too.  If they did these things, they'd probably get me back as a reader.

Unrealistic, though.  Sales-wise, they've turned the company around under Quesada's direction.  Can't expect them to turn around when their strategy is working.

I wonder how bad the economy will hit them, though.  Hard to afford a 40+ book story if your disposable income dwindles.
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How many of these challenges have already been lost, d'you
suppose?

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Let's see:  No new X-titles and No more "writing for the trade" for sure.  I just don't think writers nowadays can write a single issue story with no cliffhanger or lead-in to the next issue.  The exceptions being Palmiotti & Gray with Jonah Hex.

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 JB wrote:
•No recycling of 20 and 30 year old storylines


Amen. Revisits are for reprints and back issues.




Edited by Pete Carrubba on 03 December 2008 at 2:22am
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No stories that run more than 3 issues

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This alone would get me to at least try some of their books.
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No way...
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I think Marvel and DC oversaturate the market to everyone's detriment.  I think they should cut down to only six or so books a week.  

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I would be happy if Wolverine wasn't in the Avengers.
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• No new X-titles

I still can't get over the bastard's stated reason for cancelling HIDDEN YEARS being "there are too many X-titles and so we have to elminate HIDDEN YEARS to avoid confusion."  Some ten dozen new X-titles later...

• No recycling of 20 and 30 year old storylines

Amen!  If you are going to take credit for writing a story, come up with something original!

• No more "writing for the trade", which also means…

• No stories that run more than 3 issues

I have to disagree with you just a little on this one.  I don't want things written for  a trade all the time, but I don't mind a story taking a while when there is not a lot of useless filler

• No pinup covers 

Instead, make them pinup pages!  What a concept!

• No fake deaths  • No real deaths

I have enjoyed your real and fake deaths too much to agree with you. Phoenix.  Guardian.  Sasquatch.  Wonder Woman.  Superman (by Banshee).  Most of the Lab Rats.  Doctor Doom.  Terrax.  Sue and Reed's Daughter.

• No breaking of the status quo by the latest flavor of the month
"talent".

Amen, again!



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I agree with no mega-colossal, cross-over events this year.  It's not special when you do it every year.

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There is neither the will nor the talent at Marvel as it is currently composed to meet this challenge.
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JB, if that were to happen, i would become an active comic collector again rather than just a buyer of Essential/Masterworks/Archives/Showcase/Omnibus editions (oh, and your new stuff, of course!)
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No crossover events, to be sure. That's a sure way to prevent me from reading a book. Hell, Avengers Disassembled got me to quit reading anything by Marvel.

I would also suggest a moratorium on miniseries starring characters that already have one or more books. Find a way to fold these stories into the existing books (with a framing device, if necessary).

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No Bendis...No Quesada...
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No Quesada... we can only dream of the day!
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Cut all ties with Mark Millar, Grant Morrison, Greg Land, David Mack...


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How many of these challenges have already been lost, d'you
suppose?

Early 2009 seems to be driven by three 'events': Marvel Noir, Dark Reign, and War of Kings. All seem to entail buying lots of different titles to get the 'whole story', and all three look cheesey and boring.

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I'd be happy to see them follow any two on the list (except for the 3-issue limit on storylines as long as there's actual STORY to fill more issues and not nonsense filler).

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I don't want things written for a trade all the time, but I don't mind a story
taking a while when there is not a lot of useless filler.

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Try to find a Lee/Kirby story that ran more than 3 issues. The First Coming
of Galactus actually ran less!!
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Imo 3 issues is a good limit. Most people doing 6 parters aren't even that good at it. All of Warren Ellis' best stories are self contained single issues. 4-6 issues should be exceptional.

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Without decompression, you don't need more than three issues.  What today takes 6-7 issues to tell used to only take one or two.
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Since Amazing Spider-Man went on a three-times-a-month schedule there's only been one story to last more than three issues, and that had a lot of villains in it. I don't mind stories longer than three issues, but they should definitely be a rarity.
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This is why I'm reading Amazing Spider-Man and ONLY Amazing Spider-Man from Marvel right now (Pre-Brand New Day, I read absolutely nothing for years). It comes out three times a month, the talent is recycled, they have a coherent shared agenda, Spider-Man doesn't participate in the MU in his own book much, and the stories have generally not lasted longer than 1 or 2 issues with sub-plots galore!

Every single other Marvel book and character needs serious retooling, and it's not going to happen til Quesada's out. Shouldn't there be some kind of 8 year limit like presidents?
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I would like to see any changes to the status quo be real changes to the status quo rather than events that will be (or, because the characters have been written into some impossible situation must be) undone. With the exception of Phoenix (because dying and coming back is what Phoenixes do), I'd like any and all character deaths to be rare, well thought out, and permanent.

As for writing for trades, I would like to see a return to real story arcs, in which each issue is a story within a story with its own plot, conflict, and resolution. That should be the extent of writing for trades. I don't want to see any more issues entirely devoted to setting up for a denoument that's not going to happen for another 2-10 issues.
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