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Andy Lindsay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 09 July 2008 Location: United States Posts: 29
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Posted: 17 October 2008 at 6:22pm | IP Logged | 1
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Hi JB
In the Moon Madness thread you talked about going back to the kid who bought FF13 and I was just curious if you could go back to this kid and give him advice on what you know now about the industry, creators you've worked with, characters to work on, and what to watch out for what would you tell him....
Thanks in advance
Edited by Andy Lindsay on 17 October 2008 at 6:30pm
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John Byrne
Grumpy Old Guy
Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 132240
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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 7:06am | IP Logged | 2
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Sad thing is, I have tended to be somewhat prescient when it came to the
evolution of the Industry. You could go back and find interviews, for
instance, in which I discuss some new turn The Biz is taking, and mention
how and why I think it is likely to go awry. And all too many time I have
been right. So talking to my young self would not change much, except to
give him to ability to speak from certain knowledge -- that everybody
would still ignore!
(I'd probably take a moment to whisper "Don't do Superman!" tho!)
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Lars Skau Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 February 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 220
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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 7:35am | IP Logged | 3
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Hopefully that will never be possible!
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Chad Carter Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 June 2005 Posts: 9584
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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 10:17am | IP Logged | 4
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(I'd probably take a moment to whisper "Don't do Superman!" tho!)
JB, do you have any idea where you might have gone instead? Were there choices at that time, in the wake of the Hulk incident?
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 132240
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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 10:29am | IP Logged | 5
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The "Hulk incident" was not a major part of my decision to leave Marvel.
Shooter was giving Mike Carlin, my editor on FF, a constant hard time, and
when DC offered me Superman it seemed like a good time to leave and save
Carlin some grief. Of course, no good deed goes unpunished, so Carlin was
subsequently fired by Shooter, who said it was Mike's fault I had left.
If I could give my young self a game plan for the future, I would tell him to
stick with the FF no matter what, and put myself between Shooter and Carlin
more often. Shooter had a habit of attacking people indirectly, but when
those people confronted him directly he would most often back down.
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Fabrice Renault Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 15 April 2004 Location: France Posts: 3094
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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 10:52am | IP Logged | 6
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Where is my space shuttle ? There must be a parallel world where JB did not leave the FF.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 10:57am | IP Logged | 7
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DarthVadersDad321: I like most of Byrne's FF stuff, but that "Doom
War" story just seemed to drag on and on. I know it was only 12 issues, but
it seemed like forever.
Panelologist1701: I agree. If he'd left some time around issue 300 or
earlier we'd probably think his F4 was second only to Lee and Kirby, but he
just stayed and stayed and stayed.
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Jay Famous Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 30 November 2007 Location: United States Posts: 646
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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 11:00am | IP Logged | 8
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Shooter was giving Mike Carlin, my editor on FF, a constant hard time, and when DC offered me Superman it seemed like a good time to leave and save Carlin some grief. Of course, no good deed goes unpunished, so Carlin was subsequently fired by Shooter, who said it was Mike's fault I had left. -John Byrne
I thought I'd read elsewhere (maybe on the JBF FAQs) that you hadn't intended to leave FF for Superman, that you had in fact hoped to work on both simultaneously, but that once you announced you were going to work for DC, Shooter started getting even harder to deal with (like ordering redraws on the FF Return of Jean Grey issue) and that in the wake of Shooter's harrassment, you then decided to leave Marvel altogether. Again, I'm not sure where I read that...
Edited by Jay Famous on 18 October 2008 at 11:14am
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John Byrne
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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 11:06am | IP Logged | 9
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I thought I'd read elsewhere (maybe on the FBF FAQs) that you hadn't
intended to leave FF for Superman, that you had in fact hoped to work on
both simultaneously, but that once you announced you were going to work
for DC, Shooter started getting even harder to deal with (like ordering
redraws on the FF Return of Jean Grey issue) and that in the wake of
Shooter's harrassment, you then decided to leave Marvel altogether. Again,
I'm not sure where I read that...
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Yes. The return of Jean Grey in FF is a perfect example. The plot, pencils,
script, inks, etc had all been thru Shooter's office and been fully approved.
Then I announced I would be doing Superman. Mike Hobson, who was
Shooter's boss, wrote me a very nice letter congratulating me, wishing me
well, and saying that anything that was good for Superman would be good
for the Industry as a whole.
Shooter ordered huge chunks of FF 286 redrawn and rewritten. I managed
to hold on for another half a year after that, but the writing was on the wall.
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Lars Johansson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 04 June 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 6113
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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 2:33pm | IP Logged | 10
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JB, in Sweden your Superman was more well-known at the time (FF was published later). Since you wrote about the FF run and how it ended, I want to ask, why did you end the Superman run?
Update: This very senile JB fan just found it in the FAQ!
Edited by Lars Johansson on 18 October 2008 at 2:36pm
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 March 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 15783
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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 4:38pm | IP Logged | 11
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If I could give my young self a game plan for the future, I would tell him to stick with the FF no matter what
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Your FF fun is my all-time favourite run of anyone on any comic anywhere, and ruminating on the what-could-have/should-have-beens like this is some kind of mental torture for me.
At the same time, I loved your Superman reboot as well. I was a Marvel-zombie before then, and the Man of Steel was what got me into DC.
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Michael Arndt Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 April 2004 Posts: 8556
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Posted: 18 October 2008 at 5:50pm | IP Logged | 12
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The only thing that I would have loved to see JB do is the anniversary issue that he had planned for #296. I remember reading about what his plans were in Amazing Heroes.
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