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Jay Famous
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IMO, (since the day I read DK2),
I believe he is trying so hard to get DC and Marvel
to fire him.
But, instead, like a jilted lover,
they keep throwing him more money,
so he takes it.
---Joe Smith
It's worse than that, Joe. There is so much smirking cynicism at work here. Miller gladly takes the money ($1 million for DK2 if Entertainment Weekly is to be believed...who knows?) and laughs all the way to the bank knowin that the fanboys will PAY HIM to insult them for their tastes. At least that's what I took away from Dark Knight Strikes Again... and to a lesser extent, the Green Lantern issue of ASB&R.
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Joe Smith
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It should be renamed
BROWN STAR BATMAN & ROBIN
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Andy Mokler
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I'm generally a fan of Jim Lee's artwork but the previous few issues of ASB&R have pretty much left me with no interest in reading any more of them. But, this thread made me curious as to what the hubbub was about. My first guess was that it was just overreaction by the press. But, off I went to Newsarama to check it out. What's the lead story on their site? Will Smith should play Captain America. <sigh> I didn't read the article so maybe it was a spoof but I just didn't have the energy. So I continued with what I was looking for and found a link to this page:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/preview2.php?image=li tg/2008/0910/ASBatPage1.jpg
Now, I'll buy just about anything with Batgirl and especially if she's drawn really well like in this example but that is simply too horrible to read. I really don't think that's a case of it just not being to my taste, it's literally horrible. Do they actually have editors at DC anymore? If DC actually thinks that that comic has any redeeming value then they need to just shut their doors and look back on fond memories. Total, utter, trash.
Edited by Andy Mokler on 11 September 2008 at 12:34am
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Joel Tesch
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Miller long ago became part of the problem.
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John Caliber
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I recall that Mark suffers (as do I) from Crohn's Disease. He might have been having a bad day, alternating typing with rolling around on the floor in agony. That'd account for a storm of profanities! ;)
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Michael Roberts
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I recall that Mark suffers (as do I) from Crohn's Disease.
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Are you referring to Mark Millar? Frank Miller writes ASBARTBW.
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Jay Famous
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and retailers who are instructed to destroy their copies are left holding an ebay gold mine (check the listings)...I'm never buying a damn DC comic again.
----Craig Bogart
I don't think that part was premeditated by DC though. It doesn't benefit them in the least.
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Joe Hollon
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What are sales like on All-Star Batman now? It started out with something like 250,000 copies ordered (if I recall correctly). What has the inexcusably late schedule and crap-fest of a writing job done for sales? I would be really interested to see the numbers on each issue if anyone can track them down and post them.
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David Ferguson
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I've already dropped this title myself. It just isn't Batman.
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John Byrne
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I've know about this for a while. And, based on the wailing and gnashing of
teeth that was going on up at the DC Offices when it was discovered, I can
assure you it was not deliberate.
Stupid and incompetent, yes. But not deliberate.
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John Caliber
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I recall that Mark suffers (as do I) from Crohn's Disease.
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Are you referring to Mark Millar? Frank Miller writes ASBARTBW.
Oh b*ll*cks! Sorry about the error - blame it on the Crohn's :) I'll try in future not to comment about a comic I don't pay much attention to...
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William Roberge
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If I recall correctly, JB was given some grief about Wolverine saying "..is in Hell" yet now it's OK to have Wonder Woman walking around saying "Out of my way sperm bank". When was the line crossed?
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Friedrich Thorben
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I think it is a marketing move. Why even print the censored words just to black them?
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Scott Daggett
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It's all a gimmic to gain attention. Somewhere down the line the craetors thought that the characters were no longer interesting on their own so they had to come up with this kind of crap to create buzz for the title. Also, it could be a method to help to throw off the fact that this title is constantly late. Either way, Miller is destroying the concept of Batman with this stupid storyline!
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Didier Yvon Paul Fayolle
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I fear for The Spirit...
Really !
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Al Cook
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It's like Frank Miller doesn't even love comics anymore.
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John Byrne
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If I recall correctly, JB was given some grief about Wolverine saying "..is in
Hell" yet now it's OK to have Wonder Woman walking around saying "Out of
my way sperm bank". When was the line crossed?
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When it became all about the singer, instead of the song.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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"It's like Frank Miller doesn't even love comics anymore."
Comics to Frank Miller: "I want a divorce"
Something like that? I think comics and Frank Miller went their separate ways long ago. He just keeps coming back for the odd Booty Call and comics has no self respect.
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Mike Baswell
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Does Frank Miller have an online presence of any kind where all this might be discussed? I'd be curious to read his thoughts and or reasoning about the whole issue and this book in general.
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William Roberge
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JB: When it became all about the singer, instead of the song.
Could not have said it better....I miss the song.
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Aric Shapiro
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This is a DC comic. It bears DC's symbol on the cover, which means everything inside is sanctioned by DC Comics. No excuses. Miller should be canned, and an apology should be published in the next issue
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John Byrne
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There's an irony here. A friend who works up at DC was telling me just a week or so ago of a conversation he'd had with an editor. This editor expressed his concern that "comicbook swearing" (%@$!) was being used in the dialog of characters like Superman. Since "we all know what that shorthand means" the editor thought it inappropriate that it should even be implied that Superman, or any other superhero, would use the words that could not actually be printed.Meanwhile, just a few doors down the hall, this book had been coming out for more than a year.
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Derek Cavin
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I fear for The Spirit...
Really !
I spoke with a friend the other day who informed me that a Spirit movie is coming out and that it is directed by Frank Miller (I know this isn't news). He was excited and I told him I probably wouldn't be seeing it. He argued "but it's Frank Miller". I said, "I know, obviously you've never read The Spirit."
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Aric Shapiro
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This debacle has gone on long enough. DC's endorsement of this product disgusts me
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Brian Talley
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Does Frank Miller have an online presence of any kind where all this might be discussed? I'd be curious to read his thoughts and or reasoning about the whole issue and this book in general.
A quick Google search of "Frank Miller Forum" turns this....
http://www.moebiusgraphics.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=2
It appears that Miller has posted there, but not yet on this subject.
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