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Bruce Buchanan
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Okay, it looks like the Hobgoblin was a pretty overwhelming choice for "Favorite Spider-Man villain of the 1980s." But we had a lot of good characters mentioned, including some I hadn't thought of in years.
Now, it's on to the 1990s. Who is your favorite villain from this decade? If you like, please tell us why.
Some of the top choices that spring to mind include: Cardiac, Carnage, Demogoblin, the second (female) Dr. Octopus, Gaunt, the Headsman, Judas Traveler, Kaine, Knight and Fogg, Scorcher, Scrier, Shriek and Spidercide.
Interestingly, we have at least three people here (Howard Mackie, Glenn Greenberg and The Chief himself) who worked on Spider-Man during this decade!
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Joe Franklin
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Would the Green Goblin count, since he (Norman) did make his return in the 90s?
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Joel Tesch
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Definitely Kaine. Wish they did more with him now. So much potential. Portrayed right, he could be up there w/ Green Goblin and Dr. Octopus at arch-villain status.
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Chris Hutton
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Didn't read Spider-Man in the 90's, but someday I will.
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Bruce Buchanan
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Chris, the 1990s definitely weren't the high point for the character, but it's probably not as bad as most people think.
Sure, you had way too many "Big Events" and mega-crossovers (the "Maximum Carnage" storyline comes to mind). But you had some good stuff as well. The best probably was Kurt Busiek's wonderful Untold Tales of Spider-Man series, which focuses on Spider-Man's earliest adventures and integrates seamlessly with the Lee/Ditko stories.
But the David Micheline/Erik Larsen Amazing Spider-Man run early in the decade was by and large good as well. And the run JB and Howard Mackie had at the end of the decade is an often overlooked but highly underrated period for Spider-Man. They got back to basics and told some good, solid Spider-Man stories.
Oh, and the Roger Stern/Ron Frenz mini-series Spider-Man: Hobgoblin Lives is a must-read for fans of Stern's work.
Edited by Bruce Buchanan on 12 August 2008 at 12:20pm
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JT Molloy
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I very much loved Carnage. His first arc was the best, Maximum Carnage was mind numbing at times but the good outweighed the bad, Spider-Man/Batman was a masterpiece, Spider-Carnage was awesome and I loved the design, the Silver Surfer story was rad (pun!) and .......
then Sentry ripped him in half.
*cough
Thanks Bendis. Jerk.
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I think of Maximum Carnage as the absolute low point of 1990s Spider-
Man (and keep in mind that the entire Clone Saga took place during that
decade).
Fourteen parts (including extra-expensive opening and closing chapters
in the new Spider-Man quarterly), loads of B-level superheroes and
supervillains popping in and crowding each other out of the book, one
contrivance after another to keep the story going...and the weapon that
Spidey & Co. used to fight Carnage and his crew? It was a machine that
harnessed the innate "goodness" of the superheroes to blast the bad guys
with rays that would make them less evil. Like something out of a Care
Bears story.
As big a Spider-Man fan as I was at the time, I really, really felt cheated
as I was reading it, and since I had subscriptions to all four ongoing
books, I didn't even have the option of bailing out when the story really
went off the rails.
Give me Hypno-Hustler over Carnage any day. If Venom hadn't been
overexposed and watered down so quickly (he scared the heck out of me
the first couple of times he fought Spider-Man), there never would have
been any need/demand for a more-evil knockoff.
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Kaine, although I have to admit I rather liked the female Doctor Octopus (just not as a permanent replacement for the original). I wonder if she has appeared anywhere since Otto Octavius was resurrected by the Hand.
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Visually, Demogoblin was great, but I haven't read enough of his tales to properly judge the character. He was great in MAXIMUM CARNAGE, though.
My vote would be for Carnage - pure evil, but also with depth. I like seeing evil characters in comics, but even more interesting when the evil characters have depth and a reason for being evil (or where they think they have a reason to be evil).
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Kaine I guess. Seems like he had the most depth out of Spidey's villains from the 90s.
The Technomancers from Sensational Spider-Man were pretty cool too.
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Bruce Buchanan
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then Sentry ripped him in half.
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JT, you can't keep a good symbiote down. Carnage, in all his violent glory, recently appeared in Amazing Spider-Girl. And while I've never been a big Carnage fan, I have to say this was a pretty darned good storyline.
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Joel Tesch
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It was a machine that harnessed the innate "goodness" of the superheroes to blast the bad guys with rays that would make them less evil. Like something out of a Care Bears story.
WHAT?!!! The reminds me of the end of Krull. What a stupid, stupid copout. (kudos on the Care Bears comparison though...that made me chuckle).
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