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Dave Aikins
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Could it be argued though, that in this day and age many artists are being
hired by publishers and told TO draw their specific version? Especially in
special projects? I'd be curious if a publisher ever scolded an artist for
making their "version" to traditional...
I remember getting a call from Nick magazine asking me if I had my own
style to draw Nick characters in (as they tend to hire artists for the mag for
that reason). I've spent years and years killing myself over drawing on
model, and the thought of suddenly doing things "my way" was moot.
"My way" has always had to be "their way". That's how I get work. That's the
point of the job. Oh well. Didn't get that job...
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Al Cook
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I loved Mazzucchelli's Batman. Year One was awesome.
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Thorsten Brochhaus
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Good point. If i wanna see a guy in a costume i go to a Helloween party.
That it is possible comics to take for granted that a costume, as silly as it might be in the real world, is supposed looks as great as it does on the page for everyone in the story, isn't played out as a advantage of the medium.
Some artists (like Alex Ross) seem to see it as a shortcoming and add seems and wrinkles where their not needed. Watering down that advantage and make them look liek a guy in a costume instead of a superhero. If it adds to the stroy, ok, but why handle the classic characters that way.
It's like taking the soundeffects out of a Star Wars space battle because they are not realistic.
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Paulo Pereira
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| Pope has drawn some guy in a home-made Batman costume. |
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Some guy who looks a bit like this, at that.
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 07 August 2008 at 9:47am
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Al Cook
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Linky no worky...
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Steve Lieber
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I liked drawing the seams and wrinkles in Batman's costume precisely because it made him a guy in a costume. My thinking was that if I use the pictures to emphasize that he is one of us, that (as good as he is) he's still someone to whom the rules of the real world apply, then it'll be more impressive when he jumps off a building or takes on five guys and wins.
I think when you treat him "like and icon, like a god" (as my first Bat-editor suggested) that you're telling the reader that nothing bad can happen to him. Plenty of great Batman stories have been written from that POV, but those weren't the stories I was illustrating. (I did shift my pencils towards the icon/god approach that that editor requested, then Klaus Janson brought the dirty crime look right back when he inked them.)
That said, I've drawn maybe a dozen Batman comics total in my career, and written none. Different scripts call for vastly different approaches. Someday I'd love to draw one that's written with unabashedly Sprangian superheroics rather than stylized crime.
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Thanos Kollias
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I don't like Pope's version. It looks like an overworked Frank Miller Batman. Really overworked.
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Michael Retour
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Love Mazzucchelli and wish he would do more comic work. Year One was great!
On a side note: aren't all Batman costumes home-made?
Isn't it a matter of personal taste in art (unless a professional artist is doing the talking)?
JB, as I said, you're a professional so therefore your critique (like Toth's) carries more weight than mine. Still, when Bruce Wayne decided to become Batman and he had to make a costume right? The three Kents made Superman's costume in the Man of Steel.
I think Pope's and Mazzucchelli's costumes look far better than Neal's version.
Incidentally, take a look at Detective Comics #27 and especially The Bat-Man's gloves and they bear an uncanny resemblance to Pope's up above as does the costume (ears and all).
Edited by Michael Retour on 07 August 2008 at 9:49am
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Paulo Pereira
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Weird; worked for me. Anyway, maybe this one.
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Michael Retour
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Paulo nope, not that one either. It just shows a man's face.
But, go ahead and get Detective #27 and that costume sure looks a lot more like the Batman costume of Pope than the Batman of Adams or the Batman of Miller or the Batman of Mazzucchelli.
Heck, look at Mignola's Batman and I am not talking about Gotham By Gaslight either.
All of these artists are very stylized. They all have very distinct ways of doing the characters. I don't think DC would have allowed them to even work on Batman in the 1960s.
Edited by Michael Retour on 07 August 2008 at 10:04am
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Al Cook
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Booooooger!
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Al Cook
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Michael Retour wrote:
Still, when Bruce Wayne decided to become
Batman and he had to make a costume right? |
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Absolutely. But the point a lot of fans (and a frightening number of pros)
miss when they're considering it is that comic books are not the real
world.
The conventions of the genre allow for skintight clothes without seams or
folds. It's part of the mystique. Part of the 'grandeur', to borrow JB's
phrase.
Comics are a fantasy world, where good people do good things because
they're good, and evil never triumphs.
Dragging these characters into our real world of murky motives and fabric
with seams does them and the archetypes they represent a great
disservice.
Remember as a kid when you stopped dressing up as your favourite
superhero? Right. You stopped doing it because you started to realize
that it just looked stupid.
Now we have professional artists drawing superheroes so they just look
stupid, and the industry sits around and scratches its collective head
wondering why no one seems to respect comics and heroes, and why
their sales numbers continue to drop...
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