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John Byrne
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Posted: 11 January 2008 at 8:32am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Okay… somebody tell me. What was wrong with my art on WONDER
WOMAN?

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I don't mean to answer a question with one but, Why do you ask? I enjoyed the art on
WW.

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At the time, WONDER WOMAN was hit with all the usual mantras -- no backgrounds,
all the faces are the same, scratchy inks, looks rushed, etc, etc. Looking at those
posted pages -- which I think anybody would agree if a pretty random selection, I see
none of these things. So where did the complaints come from?
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Andrew Hess
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Posted: 11 January 2008 at 8:42am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

hmm, something was *wrong* with JB's WW art?

I hadn't noticed at the time; I thought I really liked it. I'll have to go back and
see if I can find something wrong with it now.
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Posted: 11 January 2008 at 8:50am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I truly think this breaks down to the Pros Vs Fans thing. What I mean by this is... I like what I like but if you ask me how a page looks "rushed" I'll be damned if I could tell you. You pointed out that one of the things you noticed about how you drew faces years ago was that they looked "pinched" ...still don't know what that means....Did you draw a page for Uncanny X-Men that did not clik with me? Yes. Did you draw a page for Generations that did not clik or WW or FX...yes. but I'm a fan not a pro. I ride the wave that is your art and story telling, and have enjoyed it for over 30 years. If you (the fan) have to take time on the net and complain about somthing like scratchy inks well IMHO stop, you have crossed the line and no longer read comics for what they are intended...Enjoyment.

Again I enjoyed your WW art John.

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Darren Taylor
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Posted: 20 January 2008 at 9:18am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

DOA Updated. Some great new pages. Go check 'em out!

 

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stuart knight
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Posted: 20 January 2008 at 10:45am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Ultimately I think comic appreciation is a subjective thing; what one person loves, another may hate. Therefore each opinion is valid for the person making it but not necessarily the masses.    

D.O.A is now two pages lighter for my latest visit. :-)



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Darren Taylor
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Posted: 25 January 2008 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

DOA Update.
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Darren Taylor
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Posted: 25 January 2008 at 12:28pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Amoung the updates...this awesome page:

http://www.whatashock.com/doasales/byrne/gen/g2/g2n4p10.jpg

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Darren Taylor
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Posted: 25 January 2008 at 1:32pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Bump...
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Jonathan Weiss
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Posted: 25 January 2008 at 2:10pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

This might be a knit-pik (sp?) but I wish Jim would put a "NEW" next to the
latest pieces just to help me out a bit :(
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Philippe Negrin
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Posted: 25 January 2008 at 4:05pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

I feel the same Jonathan and I've already requested thos NEW signs....
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Darren Taylor
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Posted: 27 January 2008 at 5:53am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

G1 and G3 Galleries updated today.
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Jim Warden
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Posted: 31 January 2008 at 9:50pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Hi Folks,

I posted the beautiful Storm illo that JB drew a few weeks back on eBay this evening; I've also got a nice Wolverine page up for bids.

You can check out the auctions here:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcapshockeyfan

I'll try to get some new pieces posted to my web-site this weekend. 

Thanks for looking and happy collecting!
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Mike O'Brien
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Posted: 31 January 2008 at 10:54pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

I would like to offer an observation of your WW art, JB - there's nothing wrong with the art; in fact, one of the only pieces of yours that I own - the first I ever bought, was a WW piece - and it's my favorite piece of art I own (Thanks, by the way, for signing it to me at the MOC!) - furthermore, I honestly think your WW was my favorite of your long-term mainstream Superhero books.

Now, having said that, and this is not a complaint about the work, but an observation about a trend in the art that some may have had feelings about... but on your Wonder Woman run I noticed something change in your character's faces; they took on a more... I don't have the right terms to describe this, but...some of the faces were "cartoony" I guess.  I enjoyed the look - this is why I noticed it - I found it gave people a better range of expressions, and didn't feel as... I don't know, "uptight" as your earlier work.  Also around this time, as much details and work was obviously put into each page, there was also a lot of... like... things looked... hairy?  A lot of things looked like they needed a shave, is my memory.  Again - I enjoyed the look; thought it added proper texture to the work.

Notice that those you "love your old stuff' basically love your work with Austin, where things were sleek and shinny, and more rigid faces - this was a newer, freer John Byrne. 

I enjoyed it, though - for sure. 

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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 10:33pm | IP Logged | 14 post reply

Hi Folks,

I updated the following DOA image galleries this evening:

Generations 2

Wonder Woman

Covers & More

Included in the Covers & More update is one of the original design sheets JB drew prior to taking over Wonder Woman.  There is also a cool unpublished illo of Cyclops up for grabs!

You can also check out some swell JB artwork I have on eBay, including the sweet Storm illo which ends Sunday evening, here:

capshockeyfan


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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 10:36pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

Wow! And I used to think Storm was boring...!
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 10:39pm | IP Logged | 16 post reply

I think Mike's comments are spot on. I would add that, earlier in the run, I
got the impression that you were "giving in" to the Image look/wave. It
was later that you really hit a DC groove, channelling a lot of Kubert and
Infantino.
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Posted: 08 February 2008 at 10:47pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

Wow, excellent Wonder Woman and Cyclops pages!!!!!
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Paul Greer
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Posted: 09 February 2008 at 12:15am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

I'm saving my pennies for another JB commission. Until then I must stay away from this temptress named the DOA website.

 

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Darren Taylor
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Posted: 09 February 2008 at 9:11am | IP Logged | 19 post reply

Hope that WW page goes to a good home!
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Darren Taylor
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Posted: 13 February 2008 at 2:59pm | IP Logged | 20 post reply

Updates in the Wonder Woman and G3 Galleries.

Buy, buy, buy!

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Andrew Hess
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Posted: 13 February 2008 at 5:58pm | IP Logged | 21 post reply

nah, there's nothing good there.






(hope that trick fools everyone...)
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Darren Taylor
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Posted: 16 February 2008 at 5:42am | IP Logged | 22 post reply

DOA Update...
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Darren Taylor
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Posted: 16 February 2008 at 6:01am | IP Logged | 23 post reply

Meant to note, it's the G2 gallery that has been updated.
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Posted: 16 February 2008 at 9:34am | IP Logged | 24 post reply

Bump. (So those coming onto the board later in the day get a chance to go looksee too.)
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DOA Updated!

Buy, buy, buy!

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