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Ron Chevrier
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I just finished reading the Aquaman Showcase book the other day, and I noticed that in 500 pages of comics,  Aquaman throws a punch maybe three times. Every so often he'll kick a weapon out of someone's hand, but for the most part, he lets his army of "finny friends" do all the dirty work. No wonder folks think he's lame!

Granted, he gets a few points for figuring out clever solutions to difficult situations, but come on! Across town Namor is "Imperious Rex"-ing all over the damn place and duking it out with the Fantastic Four, while Aquaman is trying to figure out whether Quisp, Quink or Quirk is the Water Sprite responsible for all current shennanigans in the ocean. Sad to think that talented artists like Ramona Fradon and Nick Cardy were wasted on pap like this.

I guess since Aquaman was one of the handful of  superheroes that DC published continuously since the 40's, the powers that be at the time must've figured that a Julius Schwartz/Gil Kane/ Carmine Infantino style revamp might confuse too many readers. A shame, because that was precisely what the character needed at the time.  If only they'd have let him slug a few goons . . .
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I suggest you try the later 60's and early 70's, especially with the Jim Aparo artwork.
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What's covered in the SHOWCASE?  I picked up the ARCHIVE and was disappointed.
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At least Namor hits stuff! Viva la Sub-Mariner!

 

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One of the reasons I couldn't like the 90s Fox Spider-Man show. I don't think he threw one punch the whole time. Not the kinda Spider-Man I want to see.
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Like Ed wrote, the later stuff gets better.

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Aquaman and Green Arrow didn't get Silver Age revamps because they were continuously in print since the dawn of superhero comics.  They were kept alive through back-up stories by Mort Weisinger, possibly because they were his creations.

Most of those stories pre-date the FF and Namor's return.

 

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What's covered in the SHOWCASE?

It collects: Adventure Comics #260-280, 282 & more.

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Spidey threw plenty of punches in the 90's cartoon! He fought Lizard, Rhino, Venom, Doc Ock... and I remember plenty of hitting.
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Aquaman did get a revamp when Dick Giordano took over as editor in 1968, and brought in his former Charlton associates Steve Skeates and Jim Aparo.  This was issues #40 to 56 of Aquaman's own title.  I'd say it's the best Aquaman run ever, based on the handful of issues I've got.  Skeates took kind of a Marvelish approach in his scripts, and of course Aparo was absolutely amazing.  When Showcase gets up to these issues I'm totally there.  
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Aquaman should always have matched or done better than Martian Manhunter in telepathy. He should even be better than Xavier for Marvel.

His gift was always telepathy...not swimming better than anyone else.

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True. But Aquaman's telepathy only works with creatures of the sea. He couldn't read Wonder Woman's thoughts for example. Hence the term "Aquatic Telepathy".
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C Aquaman and Green Arrow didn't get Silver Age revamps because they were continuously in print since the dawn of superhero comics.  They were kept alive through back-up stories by Mort Weisinger, possibly because they were his creations.

Most of those stories pre-date the FF and Namor's return.

That's something important to consider, context. These stories do date to when there weren't that many superhero comics and stories around any more. These are pretty much standard for the time, heroes more often than not out-thought their adversaries.

Yet, while Aquaman rarely threw a punch, Namor's title died in the golden-age, couldn't keep one afloat in the 50's and when brought back stuck with a secondary superhero team while Aquaman stayed continuously in print either in back up stories, his own title, and as a member of their flagship team. Who's the real king of the sea?
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Sad to think that talented artists like Ramona Fradon
and Nick Cardy were wasted on pap like this.


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Reading those stories when they were first
published -- when I was the right age, actually part
for the target audience -- I found them enormously
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I am not sure where alll the hate comes from, from FANBOYS that don't like Aquaman... as a kid I thought he was awesome and still do... He has one of the most striking uniforms in all of comics and is as recognizable as Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Spider-Man...

He is very cool....I think he was one of the first characters that FANBOYS decided wasn't KEWL... Little known fact was that Alan Davis was initially set to do an Aquaman mini-series as his first DC assignment but was talked out of it and told to do Batman and the Outsiders instead as a better career move... The mind wonders what could have happened with Alan Davis doing an Aquaman run even if it was just a mini....

A Miller or Byrne or Perez level creator in the mid-80s could have really made Aquaman a stand out character... Shame he never got his due....
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Imagine the possibilities.....

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Like I mentioned in the retcon thread, I just found out that Aquaman was originally the son of a scientist and that the two of them found the lost cities of Atlantis. Aquaman's father used the Atlantian science to make Aquaman able to live underwater (and presumably communicate with fish).

It wasn't until around 1959, with these issues in the Showcase volume, that Aquaman's origin was changed to a rough approximation of Namor's origin; maybe because Aquaman's original origin hadn't been referenced for a while?

In any case, Aquaman was created as a thinking hero. He threw his share of punches, especially during the war years, but he wasn't presented as a rough and tumble brawler; Namor on the other hand has always been a fighter.

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Aquaman truly ROCKS in the current Justice mini-series. 
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I admit, I've read very little Aquaman. But what I've seen never did much for me.

To me, there's nothing about the character that ever drew me in, even as a kid. I never really understood what the character was about or what motivated him. I don't remember hearing about any great Aquaman villains or classic stories. I dunno...he always seemed pretty generic to me - and that's an opinion I've heard from other comics readers. It's not that anyone hates Aquaman, it's just that no one is excited about him.

But I'm not set on that opinion - I'm more than willing to be convinced that I'm wrong. Can any Aqua-fans tell me 1. why I should like Aquaman and 2. what are his best stories?

 

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Aquaman did get a revamp when Dick Giordano took over as editor in 1968, and brought in his former Charlton associates Steve Skeates and Jim Aparo.  This was issues #40 to 56 of Aquaman's own title.  I'd say it's the best Aquaman run ever, based on the handful of issues I've got. 

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I really enjoyed this run, at least the ones that were reprinted in Adventure Comics Digest in the early 80's.

 

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     "Reading those stories when they were first
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for the target audience -- I found them enormously
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A valid point, JB. I guess I'm judging compared to the material in Green Lantern, Flash, Atom, and Hawkman that was coming out around the same time, and finding that, in hindsight, the Aquaman work tends to come up short, storywise. 
It seems to me that  the writers of those particular Aquaman stories had taken such great pains to portray Aquaman as the "Nice-guy of the Seas", that they had removed whatever edge the character may have had.

I concede that the fifty or so years (egads!) of comics storytelling that have passed since these stories were published have colored my judgement, but I did not find Aquaman's adventures to be as engaging as those of his contemporaries.
 
And, short of the miraculous return of Jim Aparo,  I would love to see a John Byrne-drawn Aquaman title.
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Ramona Fradon is an amazing artist!
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1. Because he can communicate with other life forms and some of the oldest creatures on the planet... whales. These creatures are his friends and would defend him to the death. He lives in the most fantastic environment on the planet. He can survive the pressure at the bottom most dephs of the ocean so he is much more dense than an average human. He can swim at fantastic speeds, has super strength, can see underwater, extremely noble.... he is a King, he protects 2/3 of the planets surface. He has a fantastic array of villains.. Ocean Master, Black Manta, The Fisherman, O.G.R.E. Batman describes him as a "giant of man with a grip of steel" and generally was in awe of him... (from his appearance in Brave and Bold) He has one of the coolest uniforms around... the Orange and Green combo really stands out.
Aquaman was the first married hero with a kid

2. Aquaman 40 to 67 by Jim Aparo and Don Newton are AWESOME as well as Aparo's run in Adventure comics 441 -452 and then a very cool run by Dick Giordano in 475-478




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Around the third Aquaman Showcase, we'll get to where Cardy cut loose with his cover designs.  His interiors matched the increase in the character's seriousness, but the covers took the series to a new level.

When those covers first appeared in the DC house ads....  Good Lord I wanted to buy those comics.

 

 

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I loved Aquaman as a kid (possibly because I was a blue-eyed blond-haired kid) and still remember with great fondness the Aquaman costume either my mother or grandmother made me one year for Halloween that was spot on.
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