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Kevin Hagerman
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Your Genesis Lyric of the Day:

"Better think awhile,
 Or I may never think again.
 If this were the last day of your life, my friend,
 Tell me, what do you think you would do then?

 Stand up to the blow that fate has struck upon you,
 Make the most of all you still have coming to you,
 Lay down on the ground and let the tears run from you,
 Crying to the grass and trees and heaven finally on your knees,
 Let me live again, let life come find me wanting.
 Spring must strike again against the shield of winter.
 Let me feel once more the arms of love surround me,
 Telling me the dangers past, I need not fear the icy blast again."

"Undertow" - ...And Then There Were Three..., 1978

Tony in Dylan Thomas mode.  Me likey.

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Good stuff!  Great song ... and one of the great Tony Banks Gooseflesh Inducing Choruses.

As an aside, I spent some time listening to a wonderful 1972 G-concert this morning.  Beautiful stuff - Harlequin, Hogweed, Twilight Alehouse, The Musical Box, The Knife - all recorded in charming lo-fi.  :)

While I'm still a four man era guy, I'm really finding an increased affection for the early stuff.

 

 

 

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"Spring must strike again against the shield of winter" sounds like a lost line from "Stagnation" to me.

I think my favorite era is what I like to call the Hentschel years.  He did them proud, although I'm currently listening to Genesis and Padgham is no slouch.  He had guitarist Mike Rutherford and bassist er, Mike Rutherford meshing pretty effectively on "Taking It All To Hard".

This weekend's GLotDs will be solo again.  I'm thinking Hackett and Collins.

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<Ahem> ...

At the risk of this potentially being old news, some of the songs the boys have been rehearsing for the upcoming tour have been leaked.

Anybody wanna know some potential spoiler info?

Or should I just be quiet ... ?

 

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Use spoiler-vision and all should be well.
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Your Genesis Lyric of the Day (Weekend Solo Edition):

"My lucky number's on a prison door,
 And it's found on everything I wear,
 And I've got to get away from 1-5-1,
 Cell 1-5-1.

 Sharing it with me is a man who shot his wife,
 And I'm afraid to fall asleep at night.
 And I've got to get away from 1-5-1,
 Cell 1-5-1.

 And it makes me sad,
 Thinking about the past feeling bad.
 I know I've been blind,
 All I needs a space to unwind.

 But I can't stay in 1-5-1,
 Cell 1-5-1.

 Hear me when I cry,
 I can't see the sky,
 Too much time,
 I've left the world behind.
 And I've got to get away from 1-5-1,
 Cell 1-5-1."

"Cell 151" - Steve Hackett, 1982

 

A few questions for the Genesis fans:

  1. If you could send any song done by Banks/Collins/Rutherford back into the past to be instead recorded by /Banks/Collins/Gabriel/Hackett/Rutherford, what song would it be?
  2. What Genesis song would be geometrically better without lyrics?
  3. Pick 3 songs that you think would increase the band's popularity if they were heavily played on classic rock radio (I'm talking the kind of near-overplaying that "Stairway to Heaven", "Roundabout", and "Tom Sawyer" get) - one from each of the 3 generally acknowledged "eras" of the band.


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I'll have to think about the first two, but for #3, I'll go with "Eleventh Earl of Mar".

The others that came to mind, like "Dance on a Volcano" and "Squonk", have enjoyed pretty decent rotations through the years.  Also considered "Down and Out" and "Dodo/Lurker".

 

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Here's my answers, after much consideration.

 

1.  Dodo/Lurker.  There's plenty of room in that song for Hackett's trademark textures and embellishments, and some of those lyrics are crying out to be sung by Peter Gabriel.

2.  This was a toughie.  Certainly some of the best instrumental parts of "In The Cage" are also sung over, but the lyrics are so damn good I don't care.  So I went with a song where the lyrics do NOTHING for me:  "Firth of Fifth"

3.  Gabriel era: my knee-jerk response is "Supper's Ready" (which I have heard exactly once on the radio), but after serious consideration I am going with "Dancing with the Moonlit Knight"  Hackett era: "Los Endos".  Three-man era: "Man of Our Times".  I just LOVE that damn song.

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Your Genesis Lyric of the Day (Weekend Solo Edition):

"Your Mum and Dad don't like me an'
 They tell me every time I call around to see you,
 I don't know why cos I always straighten my tie and comb my hair.
 I know your brother thinks that I'm a limp-wristed wimp
 From the other side of town.
 I know he's got me wrong because I'm really not like that, I'll tell you why."

"Like China" - Phil Collins, 1982

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Still thinking about those questions Kevin.
I'll post something after a little more thought.
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Your Genesis Lyric of the Day:

"Mighty hogweed is avenged;
 Human bodies soon will know our anger.
 Kill them with your hogweed hairs,
 Heracleum mantegazziani!"

"The Return of the Giant Hogweed" - Nursery Cryme, 1971



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1. "Fading Lights" - it would have been perfect to have everyone there to
jam on this one

2. I can't stand the lyrics to "Invisible Touch", so even the music bothers me.    
But I liked Phil's jazz rendition, though, so maybe this would be my only
nominee for this.

3. "Carpet Crawlers", "Your Own Special Way", and "It's Gonna Get Better"

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A few questions for the Genesis fans:

Ok even though I've thought about it, my answers could change tomorrow.

  1. If you could send any song done by Banks/Collins/Rutherford back into the past to be instead recorded by /Banks/Collins/Gabriel/Hackett/Rutherford, what song would it be?  This is a hard one.. I'd like to hear Hackett take a crack at "Dukes Travels/Dukes End". But, it's basically an instumental so we wouldn't need Gabriel. To use all five of them maybe "Driving The Last Spike". There's something about that song I like and it might suit Peter's voice.
  2. What Genesis song would be geometrically better without lyrics?   A lot of thought on this one. A lot of tracks on The Lamb would be better off without lyrics but I can't single out one. So my pick.. "The Cinema Show".
  3. Pick 3 songs that you think would increase the band's popularity if they were heavily played on classic rock radio (I'm talking the kind of near-overplaying that "Stairway to Heaven", "Roundabout", and "Tom Sawyer" get) - one from each of the 3 generally acknowledged "eras" of the band. "Firth of Fifth", "Mad Man Moon" (or "Entangled"). No pick from the three man era. "Invisible Touch" et al have done enough damage.

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Your Genesis Lyric of the Day:

"Struggling down the slope, there's not much hope,
 I begin to try to ride the scree.
 But the rocks are tumbling all around me.
 If I want John alive, I've got to ditch my fear - take a dive
 While I've still got my drive to survive.
 Evel Knievel you got nothing on me.

 

 Here
          I 
              go!"

"Riding the Scree" - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, 1974

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Your Genesis Lyric of the Day:

"And broke down the door of the cage and marched on out,
 Grabbed a creature by the scruff of his neck, pointing out:
 'There, beyond the bounds of your weak imagination,
 Lie the noble towers of my city, bright and gold.
 Let me take you there; show you a living story,
 Let me show you others such as me.
 Why'd I ever leave?

 'They've got no horns and they've got no tail,
 They dont even know of our existence.
 Am I wrong to believe in the city of gold
 That lies in the deep distance?' he cried
 And wept.

 And so we set out with the beast and his horns
 And his crazy description of home.
 After many day's journey we came to a peak
 Where the beast gazed abroad and cried out.
 We followed his gaze and we thought that maybe we saw
 A spire of gold - no, a trick of the eye that's all,
 But the beast was gone and a voice was heard:

 'They've got no horns and they've got no tail,
 They dont even know of our existence.
 Am I wrong to believe in the city of gold
 That lies in the deep distance?'
 'Welcome home.' "

"A Trick of the Tail" - A Trick of the Tail, 1976

Hackett's guitar as the song fades out just KILLS me.  Outstanding.



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There has always been something about the lyrics of this song (and many others by Tony) that make me think they could be adapted to a nice short childrens picture book. Or even a nice little animated short.
Some of his songs read almost like little fables.
Two other songs that spring to mind: "Silver Rainbow" and "One For The VIne".

Is it just me or anybody else see this in his lyrics?
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Did Tony write the lyrics to "Ballad of Big" or "Scenes From a Night's Dream"?  "Big" would make a nice little ghost story, and as we all know, "Scenes" was based upon the Windsor McCay comic strip Nemo's Adventures in Slumberland.  I think Tony wrote the lyrics to "Dodo/Lurker" as well.

"Cul-De-Sac" has a fable feel to it but the lesson isn't obvious.  "The Lady Lies" is a straight-up fairy tale.



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Your Genesis Lyric of the Day:

"If there's a fire, it's asleep in my bed,
 I must leave it to burn till it burns itself out.
 Catch as you can I'm not staying here long,
 I'll be coming back early or never at all.
 Shine on!"

"Say It's Alright Joe" - ...And Then There Were Three..., 1978



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Did Tony write the lyrics to "Ballad of Big" or "Scenes From a Night's Dream"?
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Well "Big" is credited to B/C/R so who knows. Seems like his lyrics, but Mike was writing in a similar vein at the time so there could have been some collaboration. Can't see any Collins influence in the song lyrics at all.

"Scenes" has a B/C credit but it reads like a Banks tune. I can see Phil having more a musical input on this.

I seem to recall (and I could be wrong) reading that ATTWT was when he really started to write for himself. Before that it was more musical input.
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I was listening to "A Trick Of The Tail" today, and I thought of the earlier question about songs without vocals.
This is the one album I'd like to have a copy of without the vocals.
The music on this album is outstanding. I'd just like to hear a clean version without the vocals mixed in.
Don't get me wrong, I love the lyrics but this album could have been released without a singer and it would have been almost just as good.
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If money were no object, I'd buy a recording studio full of instruments and teach myself "Squonk".
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Your Genesis Lyric of the Day:

"It's been a long time coming,
 But at last we seem to be moving on, straight ahead
 We're finally getting something done.
 Time flies and 'fore you know it
 You'll be getting closer to where
 You always knew you'd be:
 Up there looking down,
 Tell me what do you see?"

"I'd Rather Be You" - from the "In Too Deep" single, 1986

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I was listening to "A Trick Of The Tail" today, and I thought of the earlier question about songs without vocals.
This is the one album I'd like to have a copy of without the vocals.
The music on this album is outstanding. I'd just like to hear a clean version without the vocals mixed in.
Don't get me wrong, I love the lyrics but this album could have been released without a singer and it would have been almost just as good

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Brian, you can eat your cake and have it by getting hold of the Trick demos/outtakes.  It's not quite everything you're asking for, but it's darn close.

 

 

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Gene, a couple of years back I saw a bootleg on ebay called "A Trick Of The Takes" is this what you might be speaking of?
I haven't seen it for quite a while, but it is something I'd like to get my hands on.
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Gene, a couple of years back I saw a bootleg on ebay called "A Trick Of The Takes" is this what you might be speaking of?

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Yes.

First, NEVER buy anything resembling a bootleg off eBay - while Genesis is a trade-friendly band, their bootlegs aren't to be sold, and are available for free to anyone who wants them.  Those eBay guys are crooks.

You can join the Genesis Trades Yahoo Group, or join the Genesis Forum on their official site - there's a whole section discussing bootlegs, and plenty of people (including myself) will be happy to help you.

There are also a number of Bit Torrent sites where you might find it, as well - including one specfically Genesis-related.

 

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