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Thomas Moudry
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"If it will get rid of creative whores like Millar or Bendis, en masse is worth
it."
Hardly. The baby shouldn't go out the window with the bath water.
"I'm in my thirties."
I was correct or near it, then. I've been buying and reading comics for 35
years.
"That's highly subjective."
It's all highly subjective. It's me reading a comic book. It's you reading a
comic book. It's Theodore or JB or Matt or whoever reading a comic book
and coming away from it with a particular feeling toward it. I like JLA.
You, apparently, do not. The world keeps on turning, and it's world where
I enjoy my new JLA series.
Edited by Thomas Moudry on 03 February 2007 at 3:25pm
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Joe Zhang
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"Hardly. The baby shouldn't go out the window with the bath water."
No babies in this toxic stew we call the modern comic, friend.
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"And don't get me started on Civil War...
"Funniest thing is, I was OK with New Avengers. I figured as long as it
was based around Iron Man & Cap, it was simply the New Avengers,
another roster change, no matter what Quesada & Bendis said. Now, Civil
War has destroyed the characters and that book before Bendis even got
around to finishing the story he started two years ago. The hell is that
(pun intended)? Two years and you can't finish the freakin' story?"
I'm with you for the most part here, Theodore. I liked New Avengers right
up to the start of Civil War, and after reading the first couple of issues of
Civil War, I decided it wasn't for me. Just not my cuppa.
Depending on how the characters are portrayed, Mighty Avengers looks
promising. Still, it will be awfully hard--if not impossible--to un-ring the
bell that was Civil War.
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Ted Pugliese
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JLA is good, but it will be better collected in trade, as the issues are clearly parts of a larger story. Issue #6 will be my last issue before I start waiting for the trade.
I expect Rog & JB's JLA story to be better, though.
And, Thomas, feel free to call me Ted.
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Thomas Moudry
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"No babies in this toxic stew we call the modern comic, friend."
Perhaps you really should walk away, Joe. I don't see it as a toxic stew. Plenty
of things I enjoy out there, and not a single one of 'em is written by Bendis
or Millar.
Edited by Thomas Moudry on 03 February 2007 at 3:33pm
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Trevor Krysak
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"You can call WATCHMEN a great story, if you are so inclined. That's all about taste."
I do. It is. Many agree.
"But it is a terrible superhero story."
Terribly untraditional. Terribly outside the norm. Terribly important. I can understand criticisms that it doesn't work as a standard superhero story. The characters are used for more than that.
But, as it has plenty of readers, new and old, it is a successful superhero story. Just one that isn't well regarded around here. Oh well. The field of comics in general, and heroic comics specifically, is open to many different interpretations. That's one of it's greatest strengths.
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Thomas Moudry
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Sorry...accidentally double-posted somehow.
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Chad Carter
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Actually, JB, you're right. My semantics are slewed. NEW FRONTIER and GOLDEN AGE feel like great superhero stories. DARK KNIGHT RETURNS and WATCHMEN are great character studies using superhero iconography.
Without hijacking the thread, in the writing of a superhero story, meaning a creator-owned superhero story, is it more important to follow the pathway of what I personally consider to be a superhero story, retroactively? Or should I proceed with what is a great story no matter where it goes, since pretty much anything goes in today's market?
I mean, if not writing about Batman or Wonder Woman, do you feel the rules change in regards to the superhero, or should all superheroes no matter who or where they come from illicit that lineage?
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Thomas Moudry
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"JLA is good, but it will be better collected in trade, as th eissues are
clearly parts of a larger story. Issue #6 will be my last issue before I start
waiting for the trade."
It's really unfolding like one of Meltzer's novels (which I liked before he
wrote any comics), and I think it will benefit from tpb format.
"I expect Rog & JB's JLA story to be better, though."
Can't wait for this one! Almost wish they'd put it out as an original
graphic novel and forego the serialization in JLA Classified.
"And, Thomas, feel free to call me Ted."
You got it, Ted. Thanks. I'm not a Tom or a Tommy. My mom has told me
that I've always insisted on being called Thomas, rather than Tom or
Tommy. My grandma is the only one who does it (to her, I'm Tommy), and
I still let her because, you know, she's my grandma. And she'll be 100 this
coming November.
Edited by Thomas Moudry on 03 February 2007 at 3:39pm
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Stanton L. Kushner
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Your and Roger Stern's Captain America, for one. Brubaker's version is the first one in a long time that "feels" like that same guy. There's a scene in the first issue where Cap is trying to take out some terrorists who are hijacking a cable car, and he's got the shield drawn ready for action. It screamed "classic Cap", and the feeling's continued since.
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Ted Pugliese
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Can't wait for this one! Almost wish they'd put it out as an original
graphic novel and forego the serialization in JLA Classified.
Dream come true!
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Ted Pugliese
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Same points going on in two threads, but the difference for me is timelessness.
Mainstream comics are timeless, or at least they were, and SHOULD be again.
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