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John OConnor
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Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:10pm | IP Logged | 1  

well, for more and or better reasons, why not simply eliminate your "humorous"  attempts at vandalism?
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Posted: 28 January 2007 at 9:26pm | IP Logged | 2  

But... he has skills, John.

That's the justification I am reading from the posts, at least.
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Because it doesn't hurt anyone to say that Amare Stoudemire's face is made from an artificial substance mined on the fourth moon of Saturn. In fact, if it brings joy or a smile to one person, it was worth it. lol
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Posted: 28 January 2007 at 10:26pm | IP Logged | 4  

It hurts the integrity of the site. Every person who posts that sort of crap harms the site. If you felt it was harmless I am sure you would not mind linking your actions to this site of yours through your real name.

Perhaps someday your site will be hacked and you may have a different perspective.

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Posted: 28 January 2007 at 10:42pm | IP Logged | 5  

I'll try not to go on & on, but it sure seems like the only person laughing is ....you. Wikipedia is what it is, nothing more nor less. However, the hardcore 'pedians seem to really want to make it legit, and your VERY poor attempts at humor seem to fly in it's face.
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Chris Hutton
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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 1:23pm | IP Logged | 6  

Steven Colbert is telling his viewers to change content on that site... to prove how ridiculous relying on wikipedia is.
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That is pretty irresponsible of him. Especially when it would prove his point more to read inaccuracies on the air rather than encourage vandalism.
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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 1:57pm | IP Logged | 8  

He also encouraged his viewers to chuck GM reports onto the ice for a minor-league hockey team owned by GM (I believe).
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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 4:18pm | IP Logged | 9  

Comparing hacking someone's website with vandalizing Wikipedia is
absurd, Wikipedia lets people edit their site, they encourage
it, very different from hacking.
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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 4:20pm | IP Logged | 10  

I agree with Colbert's strategy, get the new out that that shit is worthless.

It can't be trusted, and yet people do trust it, anything that hurts its
reputation is good, because it doesn't deserve a good reputation.
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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 4:21pm | IP Logged | 11  

The intent of being able to edit the site is to add valid information.

Let's say I won a store and I am fine with people painting murals on my side wall. I encourage it. Doesn't mean I want some vandal spraying idiocy on the wall.
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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 4:23pm | IP Logged | 12  

And Jacob, I brought up hacking because earlier Randy said he doesn't have to worry about people treating his site like he treats Wikipedia since his site is not open to the public.
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I think he could get a lot of mileage from running disinformation bits on his show daily. Leno seemed to get enough mileage out of typos on ads.

Suggesting that anyone who is against vandalizing / adding false info Wikipedia thinks that that site deserves a good reputation is an "out of left field" statement.
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Jacob P Secrest
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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 4:34pm | IP Logged | 14  

Mural, much better metaphor, the mural is however containable, vandals
will be caught and removed, and even then you are not claiming that the
information on your wall is credible.

Have you seen the Colbert Report?

Disinformation bits wouldn't fit into Colbert's comedy, what he said about
Wikipedia is that things are made true if enough people agree to them
being true (what he refers to as "Wikiality), and to prove environmentalists
wrong he said people should edit Wikipedia to say that Elephant
population has tripled in Africa in the past six months (or something like
that).

Pointing out preexisting mistakes doesn't fit into his persona, at all and I
don't think it would be as funny as the way he already did it.
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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 4:40pm | IP Logged | 15  

I have seen the show, yes. I was throwing out an example that did not mean vandalizing a web site.

Just checked to what Wikipedia claims about its content. Perhaps it would not b e an issue if this were to be true: "Inappropriate changes are usually removed quickly."


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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 5:28pm | IP Logged | 16  

Obvious vandalism (like saying that Dante was a transvestite) is often
removed quickly, however that statement is false, very false.
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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 5:32pm | IP Logged | 17  

That's the thing - there are a lot of non-extreme bits of misinformation one could put in there.

As an example, since it is an open site, are you cool with someone putting your contact information there? Rumors about you? Insults or silliness? How about your family? Your family business (you know, assuming there is one for sake of example)? Your significant other?

I think as long as the misinformation is removed lots of people are okay with the "joke" of putting garbage on the site. I expect people would feel differently if it struck closer to home.
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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 7:16pm | IP Logged | 18  

Of course they would feel differently under those circumstances, but
since that isn't the case, there is no point bringing it up.

Though I'm sure people have done that, and others would be rightfully
pissed. I honestly don't care one way or the other if it's removed, I still
find it funny.
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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 7:18pm | IP Logged | 19  

Why isn't there a point bringing it up? Why does it have to impact personally before people decide it is not right?
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Jacob P Secrest
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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 7:23pm | IP Logged | 20  

Adding nonsense and the activities you described are very different and
incomparable, no point comparing the two.

The nonsense is bad maybe, misinformation, etc... The personal
information and such is far worse, and probably illegal, they are two
completely different things.

I'm against Wikipedia on every principle, I want the website shut down, or
at least horribly discredited, of course I'd hate if someone put my contact
information up there, though the fact that that could happen is low on my
list of reasons to hate it, because it could happen but probably won't, my
problem with it is that it's mostly useless, plain and simple.
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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 7:28pm | IP Logged | 21  

The personal info I mentioned happens all the time - such as rumors, insults and silliness. Look at the history of JB's entry.


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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 8:23pm | IP Logged | 22  

Rumors happen. Insults happen. Silliness happen.

All of which are bad, they are often personal attacks (with rumors and
silliness it's a case to case basis).

However contact info is rare.

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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 8:28pm | IP Logged | 23  

That's a good thing. I'd hate for my extreme example to be a common one.
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Jacob P Secrest
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Posted: 30 January 2007 at 8:48pm | IP Logged | 24  

I've actually never heard of it happening (on Wikipedia that is, on
Uncyclopedia it was happening, but they cracked down on it).

I still see a difference between personal attacks and blithering nonsense.
Both are vandalism, but with different intent, the blithering nonsense has
many purposes, feeble attempt to prove the unreliability of Wikipedia,
shits and giggles, etc...

Personal attacks usually have one purpose, to mislead people and to just
in general attack someone, personally.
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Posted: 31 January 2007 at 10:03am | IP Logged | 25  

Interesting article on steps to minimize Google-bombing. This is the same mindset as those who 'see no harm in sabotaging' websites.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4512298.html

As the technology progresses, it will be easier to minimize the trolls, regardless of their 'humorous!' intent.

I find the practice of deliberate sabotage 'to deliberately discredit' as appealing (sarcasm off, read as 'appaling') as those who attempt to sneak mock-bombs and other similar devices onto aircraft 'just to show that new security measures have holes'.

On a webboard I run, we have had several former members (kicked off for trolling, violating TOS, etc) who try to rejoin under different aliases and different IP addresses. Why would someone expend such effort when it has been made explicitly clear that you aren't welcome? What efforts are humorous to one person is a royal pain in the ass to someone else that has to correct it. And the sad thing is that the people 'who don't care', 'lololz itz all f0r funz' would be the first to whine if it were to happen to them.

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