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Mark Matthewman
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Dave Powell
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Is there a writer, comic book or other, who doen't visualize what's going on in his stories? A good plot is a good plot, good dialogue is good dialogue. The idea that anyone could seperate what they "see" with their mind's eye from a plotline or script doesn't make sense to me.
It may be HARDER for a comic book writer, in my opinion, surrendering your idea, your mind's eye vision, to someone else in a collaborative effort must be extremely difficult.
PS: The "Discuss" is not needed, we all know why we're here. ;)
Edited by Dave Powell on 03 February 2007 at 4:13am
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Frank Stone
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If a writer is capable of creating the series of events which constitute a
story, that seems "real" enough to me!
(Because there are numerous ways in which comicbooks can be written,
though, there can even be hair-splitting as to what "writing" means. I still
recall an instance where the editors of Comics Buyer's Guide made
the rather bizarre assertion that the separate [to them] disciplines of
"plotting" a comicbook and "writing" one were "not equally important"
because "the plot is only what happens in the story", whereas "writing"
involved the important stuff like characterization, subtext, nuance, etc. --
the implication, apparently, being that creating a plot is somehow
something other than writing. This, to me, is a lot like saying that the
foundation of a house and the structure of a house are not equally
important because the foundation is only what allows the house to be
built without falling over.)
- Frank
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Rafael Guerra
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So I suppose screenwriters aren't 'real' writers, either.
So many people wasting their lives....
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Stephen Sadowski
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I gotta add here, that SO OFTEN what the public DOESNT see, in the form of script is shocking at times.
Some of James Robinsons , David Goyers and Geoff Johns scripts, were BEAUTIFULLY written descriptive narrative pieces..much better than <I> could draw, unfortunately..I OFTEN wished that they could be printed.
Stories of Alan Moore's and Grant Morrisons scripts are near legendary within the community for their detail and nuances.
What Ive ALWAYS enjoyed about comics, is that its NEITHER a novel nor a movie, but something inbetween..its OWN creature.
And DEFINITELY comic writers are "real writers"..IMO.
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Fred J Chamberlain
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Certainly, I believe that comic writers are real writers. Nearly anyone can write. Sadly there are too many writers employed in both comics and the novel genre that are not storytellers.
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John Byrne
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Some are, some aren't.
Put it like this: In 1988 my novel "Fearbook" was nominated for a Stoker Award for "Best First Novel". I got to thinking about that, wondering if it was really fair to the other nominees, since I had, at that point, spent about eight years writing what were, effectively, serialized "novels".It's probably best to look at it all on a case by case basis. Nobody is good at their job 100% of the time -- there will be days when writing in comic books will be as good as, or even better than, "real" writing.
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J.C. Alexander
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Different medium. Period.
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Michael Penn
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Can comics writers be considered "real writers"?
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Yes. Comic book writing is clearly its own particular genre; but a comic book being just that doesn't therefore remove it from the typical standards of good writing: interesting ideas, effective and logical organization, an appropriate and individual voice, clear and memorable diction, coherent grammar and syntax, etc.
Of course, listing these standards and then finding copious examples of those comic book writers who have lived up to them are not necessarily equally easy. But a good many "real writers" working in comic books are regularly discussed on the JBF, from Stan Lee to Roger Stern to the host himself, et al.
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Joakim Jahlmar
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Of course there are comics writers who are good writers. If you write a good comic then you are a good writer... thereby not said that you will be good at other media or other genres, but that is equally true of any other "real" writer. An excellent short story writer may be a very poor novelist, and vice versa. A person may be an excellent dramatist with strengths in dialogue and dramatic structure, while being crap at narrating...
The proof of the matter is as always in the pudding. Case to case basis.
Even though I'd say that there are good and bad "real" writers, so why make the other distinction in the first place seem irrelevant.
And to add: a good comics writer (like any writer within specified medium or genre) knows his own playing field and writes material that makes full use of the visual impact and nature of the medium.
My penny.
Edited because I managed to post midsentence before I was finished.
Edited by Joakim Jahlmar on 03 February 2007 at 7:33am
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Andrew Bitner
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Comic book writers are undoubtedly real writers-- some are good, some are mediocre and some are bad, but they have one thing going for them: they're getting paid for writing.
I heard a long time ago that Frank Capra Jr was on TV, describing his "process" as a director, how he created "the Capra touch" in his movies and so on. After that, one of his writers sent him a ream of paper and said "Put the Capra touch on this."
Artists can do amazing things-- but if there's no story, there isn't going to be a comic book.
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Orlando Teuta Jr
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Gaiman won the World Fantasy Award for a Sandman comic and Art Spiegelman won the LA times book fiction award.
I do consider Comics Writers real writers.
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